Impurities or weight additive?

[SpicyCraik17]

So I recently got some yellow spice it puddled and smoked ok but once it was almost finnished it turned to these granules and would not melt even with constant heat. I have pretty bad vape tech seing as this was my first time maybe I burnt it or could it be lye added for weight? I know the residue to the left is recrystalized dmt. So any ideas of what it is?:?:

 

[Ulim]

Does it stick to the glass?
Might be sand or Lye or NaCO3 to weigh it down.
Did you extract it?
Dont mess around with street DMT just extract it yourself.
There are lots of reasons to do so.
Read here

 

[SpicyCraik17]

. Ive got 4g or so depending on what this is. I was thinking about doing a wash just to make sure its ok. Is it even possible to add anything nefarious to spice. Like are there any known common additives? Really its a crap shoot. I do need to do my own extraction but it is involved and im definitely a chemistry minor.
Edit for attitude

 

[hug46]

I do need to do my own extraction but it is involved and im definitely a chemistry minor.

You don't have to be a good chemist in order to extract your own. If you can follow a recipe then you can extract. It also helps to read up on a bit of background information to help understand the process better.
Also i am sorry to say this but it is strictly against the rules of this forum to discuss buying and selling. Attitude page

 

[SpicyCraik17]

Sorry about the previous attitude. And yes after vaping it did stick to the glass it had to be knocked loose. I'm largely reconsidering my own extract after this little deal. Thanks for the responses BTW

 

[SpicyCraik17]

I do need to do my own extraction but it is involved and im definitely a chemistry minor.

You don't have to be a good chemist in order to extract your own. If you can follow a recipe then you can extract. It also helps to read up on a bit of background information to help understand the process better.
Also i am sorry to say this but it is strictly against the rules of this forum to discuss buying and selling. Attitude page

When you say background info how do you mean?

 

[hug46]

When you say background info how do you mean?

A good place to start is FAQ in the wiki. Scroll down to the heading DMT Extraction - Where to Start and read it..

 

[Running Bear]

Only smoke dmt you have extracted yourself. I have seen enough videos online to know how careless people can be with extracting. Some people pull naphtha before it completely separates, others collect their dmt before it completely dries. Personally I would never smoke dmt that hasn't been recrystallized. People are idiots so don't trust them.

 

[SpicyCraik17]

Yeah I think I put a bit too much trust into randoms but I've also met some great people that way as well. I'll have to do a recrystallization and see how that turns out maybe a good primer for extraction.

 

[SpicyCraik17]

Any opinions on the Sodium carbonate wash? Seems like the best route.

 

[Running Bear]

You need to throw it away and get a kilo of mimosa hostilis bark. That's enough for 10 extractions. After 10 extractions you should have it down like a pro and have enough dmt to last year's. Mimosa is extremely easy to extract from and if you Want it clean learn how to do a simple re-x Noman's tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki ........ Someone mixed something with that dmt and it could be extremely dangerous.

 

[SpicyCraik17]

Although I know its foolish I have tried this spice a few more times and to very few ill effects. The first time I sampled this I freaked out because of the numbness/tingling/burning on the lips. I was having a low dose experience and that sensation was no bueno. Since then I have found lacing joints and blunts with it give very mild effects but super difficult to smoke because of the tase and it eventually gets to chemically to smoke well. From what i understand is that this is par for the course with this mamajama.

Today I tried the GVG and got much stronger low dose effects with virtually no strange numbing sensation just a little test blast off.:shock: still a little bit of residue but not as much.

I'm definitely going to get some MHRB and do my own extraction but until then... I have been awaiting an encounter this molecule for 13 years, I'm going to tread lightly with as many harm reduction practices I can muster and continue my travels until i can produce my own.

Side question will any napatha/bestine brand work for a re-x or do some napatha brands have additives?

 

[5-HT2a]

Check the product's MSDS to be sure it only contains petroleum distillates. But why not get some practice in by purifying what you already have, instead of smoking something you know isn't clean? Do a sodium carbonate wash (sodium carbonate can be made simply by heating some baking soda in the oven) and then re-x with naphtha from the hardware store.

 

[burnt]

sodium hydroxide or sodium carbonate (or bicarbonate..) are certainly possible impurities from poor extraction clean up. An easy way to get an idea if this might be the case is rinse these granules / crystals with water. If they dissolve easily its definitely not freebase DMT since that has low water solubility. If it washes off easy with water its definitely some junk you don't want.

When you said the spice is yellow is it yellow crystals or yellow oil?

 

[SpicyCraik17]

Thank you burnt I was looking for something like this. Ive got some bestine on the way but I'd like to know for curiosity sake wtf this *likely* is.

I'm not thinking it is Sodium carb or bi carb off of the first thought. From what I know this was extracted in 50gal plastic trashcans. I found that the same extraction was being re-xed after something was mentioned about the purity. Leads me to believe that it was some type of whoops. Be it a lye spill or some other deal. So plastic is #1 on the suspects list with, lye next, then sand maybe?

I really liked this forum for the attitude of make your own experiences/ be your own source. I try to practice that with my plants, but this came my way and I couldn't say no. The more I think about it the more of a spiritual experience it should be to create these crystals with intent be it by re-x or initial extraction.

Thanks for the support everyone BTW I enjoy this forum.

 

[Du57mi73]

If it were plastic it would melt under direct heating. I dont think its any form of carbonate, since it is clear. My best guess would be sand or something of the like. You should try to dissolve it in a small amount of water. If it doesnt dissolve its most likely sand. Also try dissolving it in the bestine you have coming. If it still does not dissolve then it is extremely like it is sand. I will say though that I have had a gritty sand like substance as a residue at the bottom of my jars after rinsing them out on multiple occasions but there should really be no way it would get in to the product. Regardless, you should do a recrystallization on it before any further use.

Producing dmt out of a 50gal plastic trashcan should be your first clue to stay away from it. No one with that kind of ambition will produce anything worth while.

Pretty much any brand of VM&P naptha will work. I've never came across any that didnt. Bestine will be better for you though.

 

[SpicyCraik17]

Well, it isnt clear and it stays ariund after burning

*** Disclaimer these pictures were from a little testing I did with what I have now with more to follow***

So I used an ounce of water for both un vaped and the vaped left overs.

Roughly about a 1/4" "key bump" of unvaped material went into the 1oz of cold filtered tap water. A large amount almost instantly disolved /dissapated:!: some did float on the top while another larger chunck kind of danced and seemed to pulse in the water moving the other floating particles around it. It almost seemed like there was a oily layer on top too. I couldnt see it but the way the chunk made the water surface and little particles dance it just poped in my mind as an odd thing. Could also be surface tension. After a few seconds to a min some of the larger chuncks settled to the bottom.

The vaped D: leftover resedue disolved instantly upon hitting water while orange /brown resin stayed in the catcher on the pipe while rinsing under running water as well. While vaping it it did puddle, run , and have some of these resedue particle still visible but after prolonged high heat all "oil" evaped and the little white pellets formed. It almost looked like they recrystalized while being highly heated and subsequently stayed stuck on the glass and requiered knocking loose like before.

So first off positive: 8) 1) It has some dmt in it 2) a re-x should clean it up and take out all the whatever this is out if im not mistaken.
Negative : bad vibe in my DMT from a untrustworthy trash extractor. Thanks for putting the trash can thing into perspective BTW Du57mi73

Bellow are the pics from the experiment.

 

[Ulim]

Yeah I would definetly reX that. :?:
You might wanna do an "extended cleanup"

Take all your stuff and dissolve in water with small dash of vinegar.
If it bubbles add a slight bit more (neutralisation of basic impurites).

Then you can do a cleanup defat while its all still acidic using some solvent like naptha.

Then just base it and then pull again and freeze the naptha.
Pour of the naptha (dont let it evap) and let the crystals dry.

Then you will probably have eliminated all junk.

 

[Sunnyside]

Yeah I would definetly reX that. :?:
You might wanna do an "extended cleanup"

Take all your stuff and dissolve in water with small dash of vinegar.
If it bubbles add a slight bit more (neutralisation of basic impurites).

Then you can do a cleanup defat while its all still acidic using some solvent like naptha.

Then just base it and then pull again and freeze the naptha.
Pour of the naptha (dont let it evap) and let the crystals dry.

Then you will probably have eliminated all junk.

I hope I'm not hijacking the thread but maybe this is a learning opportunity for me?

My take on this:
1 - the acidic water dissolves the DMT (and much of whatever else is in there)
2 - the acidic water now contains the salt form of the DMT?
3 - whatever form the DMT now is in, is not soluble in the NPS, but other material (fats?) are soluble in the NPS, so it (the NPS) takes those and leaves the DMT in the acidic?
4 - finally, base it again, like with all the other recipes I follow, and let the fresh NPS take the freebase from the basic solution?

Again, just looking for simple understanding about what I'm doing.

Thanks nexus. For everything.

 

[5-HT2a]

I hope I'm not hijacking the thread but maybe this is a learning opportunity for me?

My take on this:
1 - the acidic water dissolves the DMT (and much of whatever else is in there)
2 - the acidic water now contains the salt form of the DMT?
3 - whatever form the DMT now is in, is not soluble in the NPS, but other material (fats?) are soluble in the NPS, so it (the NPS) takes those and leaves the DMT in the acidic?
4 - finally, base it again, like with all the other recipes I follow, and let the fresh NPS take the freebase from the basic solution?

Again, just looking for simple understanding about what I'm doing.

Thanks nexus. For everything.

Yep, that's spot on. Salts (such as DMT acetate, the product formed from dmt and acetic acid (vinegar)) are very polar and dissolve easily in polar solvents like water. Fats are neutral and will be pulled by a NPS at any time, regardless of if the aqueous layer is acidic or basic. So once the dmt is dissolved in an acidic solution, the fats can be removed with a NPS without removing the dmt. The aqueous solution is then reacted with a base stronger than dmt, such as sodium hydroxide. The reaction here is:

DMT acetate + sodium hydroxide -> sodium acetate + DMT

Dmt, being non-polar, falls out of solution and can be dissolved with a NPS, such as naphtha.