In relation to the e-cig discussion from the Faq.

[Asher7]

Hello,

I can't post in that area and can't find where they asked to post in the welcome area.

I would like to say that the e-cigs you guys are attempting to use are not effective for vaping in general. You need a better mod, dripper. Drippers are atomizers in which you drip your solution directly on your coils. They work better than any other tanks etc I've found.

Also, mods have come a long way since 2014. You can adjust voltage, amps, watts, and now even the temperature. Once you understand ohms laws you can build 4 coil builds and use all manner of coil styles. I have been told that even without temp control (which I don't use) that you can just feather the fire button.

Here is my plan. I'm going to build a 7 wrap, 3.5mm double coil atomizer on my Limitless Plus RDTA. Set it to 50 watts, at 4.3 volts that will register at .35 ohms. That is to get good ramp up time and to allow more heat than necessary so that I can just feather the fire button. This is my usual build and setting and produces "clouds" that rival what "cloudblowers" get off on.

I pulled out approx 200mg dmt and am going to get it to dissolve in what I will start with 1ml of vg/pg juice 70/30. The only trouble I can think of is that is way too little juice to disolve the dmt in so I'll ad drops at a time and bathe it in warm water.

Once dissolved drip 1 drop on each coil, maybe two, so that puts me at 4 drops. I read on reddit, they recommed 1 gram per 4ml. According to them, it works wonderful. My mod has zero trouble producing vapor, so I can't see how this would not work. And since I'm dripping it, there is zero juice that is not going to be vaped as it is in/on the actual coils and with the diameter being 3.5mm that gives it plently of room to reach vaporizing temperature without coming into contact with the wire heat source.

Can anyone think of any suggestions, or has all this been figured out since the 2014 link in the FAQ? I'm going to get to chopping up the dmt and measure the juice out as well as built a clean coil. This should take me 20-30 minutes and when I'm finished I'll check back for replies. This is a pretty quiet forum so if no replies are made I'll just test drive it and report back.

This will be the first time ever experiencing dmt so hopefully it's gentle, or not gentle, whatever it decided to be. I'll be right back.

 

[Asher7]

New coil and my elf juice. For the record the juice I used was orange already so that's not what it would appear like if clear juice was used. I have to say, I'm a bit nervous. My report on how it worked may be a few hours from now. It would be nice to eat something and get relaxed etc. It would be nice if somebody had an idea of how many drops I should put on these coils as that's the only variable in this equasion and since this is my first time with dmt I'd rather go deep than just get a threshold effect since that first time is magical and you can get deeper than you can once you're apprehensive.

Please if this has already been figured out link me to where the discussion took place.

 

[Sakkadelic]

I suppose u dissolved the 200mg u had in the juice.. did u count the nb of drops or the volume of liquid u used? So we can calculate how many mg in each drop.. 200/(nb of drops used) = x mg/drop
Now to get let's say 30mg you devide 30 by x and you will get how many drops to use
Good luck and i hope you have a beautiful rewarding trip

 

[Asher7]

I have a syringe for making juice so I started with 1m and then added about 5 more drops to that. The recipe on reddit was 1 gram dmt to 4ml so I cut the juice by 4 and the dmt by 5 to err on the lighter side since I'm not sure how many drops I'm supposed to put on my coils. How many drops in total that is I'm not sure but I can find out. Also, I don't have a milligram scale so I added the dmt little by little until it rolled over to .2 grams. The scale I'm using is just a cheap "smoke shop" scale as I've never had to deal with milligrams before so it's probably not very accurate but it works well enough for grams when weighing out juice etc.

If this does turn out to work I'll definately get it down to precision measurements and drop counts since vaping this way will probably be my mainstay for awhile until I get some different herbs to make changa. I found a thread where people were posting their herb blends and I definately want to take a swing at that one.

Really the main goal of this experiment is just to see if it works. If I had a mg scale I could actually weigh out what a single drop weighs with accuracy. I'll go ahead and weigh a juice bottle, note that and then tare it out and count the drops it takes to get it to roll over to .1 grams + see how many drops are in a ml. That should give a semi idea of where I'm at until I can do it correctly with a mg scale.

 

[Asher7]

Going by my scale a 30ml e-juice bottle (glass) weights 46.5 grams, 50.9 with the eye dropper.
The bottle alone with 1ml of non dmt infused juice is 47.9 grams
Using the eye dropper for a 30ml bottle, one ml is approx 63 drops. It's difficult to get it all out of the bottle because just a little stays in the corner and the dropper sucks up air so I would guess 66-67 if you got it all.

Unfortunatly I made my elf juice in a 15ml bottle so I can't weight it to see what the extra weight would be to get a better estimate of how much dmt is in there. With a milligram scale this would be a whole lot more precise and the results could get to where they're consistent and can be repeated but oh well, this should be precise enough for what we're doing now.

So 200/63 = 3.1746031746. Is that right?

If that's right ten drops should get you at 30mg's and that's no problem. If you had your bottle near you could drip again and get what I read is a real solid dose assuming you can still use your hands after the first/second vape hit. Or just saturate both coils and go about it that way. Or, I could build a 4 coil and then double the amount of drops I could put on a 2 coil.

So, assuming this works there is no question of loading an appropriate or even really really hefty dose. I remember reading what the target temp is for vaping dmt but I can't recall what it is right off hand so I'll have to dig that up. If I switched kanthal for TC wire that could keep your temp right where it needs to be.

*edit*
Also, I added those extra drops before I realized I shouldn't have. Once I put the bottle in a warm bath it dissolved without trouble so it's entirely possible to mix it a good bit stronger and cut down on the number of drops you would have to drip on your coil and get a higher concentration into your lungs a lot quicker. I don't know how harsh this is going to be but if it vapes smooth you have the potential of loading up a dose that your average joe probably wouldn't want to take meaning to get a "breakthrough" dose could be achieved with really no effort. (Assuming this form of vaping works.) And it would be portable since it 's just a bottle of e-juice so that opens the door to going to the lake, beach etc.

 

[roninsina]

If you're still interested in the research that others Nexus members have done regarding this MOA, there are several threads under the forum heading "Methods of Administration and Preparation" with the subheading "Other". The most updated thread is probably the one you can see currently, when you open the site, started by Duecedevil, called "E-liquid Success: Express Ticket to the Alien Pool-party"....and some others in the Welcome Area.

 

[ducdevil]

so hello....glad to see my thread is being used as a reference to this ROA

not sure if you tried out your setup/mixture yet; i'm curious to hear how it turned out. i bet i know how it did, but i'll wait to hear your report.

dripping is kind of hit and miss with spice; for me, using a dripper is way too high a risk for a dry or burnt hit - something that would be horribly unpleasant as the beginning of a journey into hyperspace. i went through my coil-building phase; i'm over that now. fun, but in the end tanks are far superior now.

as discussed here at great length and detail, the current state of sub-ohm tanks enables one to mix spice with ejuice (no nicotine) quite easily with warm liquid. 50/50 VG/PG is a common preference, but since PG does not produce as much vapor i have found that a less than optimal route. also, the low viscosity of PG leads to leaking from the tank seals. i tried 60/40 and found it perfect. try using a 1:4 or 1:6 ratio (DMT to liquid); you'll find that more than sufficient with a good tank and mod.

a .5ohm coil/atomizer at about 50 watts will send you off after a couple of hits.

safe travels

 

[Asher7]

@Ron, perfect! I didn't know that was down there so I'll dig through it when I get back to my place and see what I can find.

@Duc, luckily what I'm using is an RDTA so it's a tank and a dripper. I'll get to experiment with both aspects. It looks like in your pool-party thread you were using about the same ratio I am. Is there a reason I notice everyone making a point to say they used zero nicotiene? Because mines an old bottle of juice from my pre drip days and it's a rather hefty 1.2 percent. Do dmt and nicotiene not like each other?

I didn't try it last night. I keep getting everything ready and then just kind of hold off I guess. I know when partaking in these sorts of things you know when the time is right and sometimes it just isn't the time even if you can't put your finger on why(plus I had taken a xanax and didn't want any interference from that). But, tonight I'm going for it. I'm calm, clear headed, relaxed etc. It feels like the spirits have cleared their schedule to have a laugh at a new wide eyed rookie. I sure hope they're in a good mood.

 

[Asher7]

For the record I promise I won't multipost in other people's threads as I know that's considered poor forum ediquette. I just want to log things as I go so if I head down a bad road people can holler stop.

So, first problem I see is I wicked my cotton with regular juice so that's a lot of space taken up. I may replace the cotton and start dry.

Also at the store I picked up 91% isopropyl and some mint leaves to make "changa for my bonga". I wouldn't normally think to use isopropyl but I'm pretty sure others have mentioned it. I'm right in a 1:1 dmt/mint ratio with just enough alcohol to dillute and cover the leaves? All I need to find is a little wasabi dish or something as I'm sure a good portion of the dmt will be left as a film on the dish. Also I don't have a bonga so it'll have to be my bowla. Trying to think what I have laying around I can use as a dish. I guess this post is just me thinking out loud. Any thoughts on that isopropyl? How about just using naptha?

Damn duc, I just read about the washing machine. My juice has nicotine in it and it's going on a coil/cotton that does too. What do you think the chances of the washing machine just being the tone of that individual experience? I don't want to piss anyone off right off the bat. This is not good. I don't want to just throw away what I made but I don't want to get machine washed either. A really good reply would be you saying that you think that was just the tone of that individual experience. I need to find if anyone else has experienced this combo beig a no no. Damn, just when I thought I had it within reach.

All your other times were on clean cotton and coils that had zero nicotine on them?

 

[ducdevil]

Asher7:

it's been more than one occasion i've had darker experiences with nicotine juice. something about the synergy when vaped simultaneously doesn't work for me. i can't say with any certainty that it's a total no-no, but adding a stimulant directly to the mix just seems like a bad idea. i will say, however, that on the come-back/come-down vaping is really nice. i keep my mod close by after i return and in the afterglow the vape feels really good. but not in the mix.

i only use 0% nicotine now. clean. much better. also, load the tank/RDTA only when you are going to use it to avoid leaking. every time i've kept a tank loaded i return to it to find it a mess. keep the juice in the fridge.

enjoy the pool party.

 

[Asher7]

Well then, I guess that changes things.

Luckily I have an old dripper so I can switch back and forth but damn dude, I can't just throw away that elf juice. Obstacles man. What to do, what to do.

Is it true that you can make changa with 91% ipa? I read 99% here but could only find 91%.

 

[ducdevil]

you can - it will take a long time to evaporate, though.

 

[Asher7]

Naptha?

 

[ducdevil]

no no no

IPA or Acetone
don't rush - let it evap completely.

please read all the FAQs - especially on Changa. it's quite complete.

 

[TGO]

Not to be nit picky but it isn't changa unless you add some sot of MAOI to it like harmala extracts, or if you infuse it into caapi leaf. With no MAOI it is just "enhanced leaf"...

If you are only making enhanced leaf, naphtha will work. One reason why other solvents are used to make "changa" is because most common solvents do not dissolve harmalas well (especially naphtha). Naphtha can obviously dissolve freebase DMT, just make sure your enhanced leaf is dry and free from all solvent before you smoke it in your bowl-a... (typically acetone, ethanol, or ISO are used for this procedure)

1:1 ratio is fine (DMT:Leaf). It makes it easier to measure out doses.

 

[syberdelic]

I doubt the nicotine would pose any serious risks at normal concentration. Seems to be a fairly common practice in the Amazon to mix tobacco in with Ayahuasca and to smoke tobacco while on it. I would not want to consume such a brew as my stomach has a hard enough time with regular ayahuasca and tobacco would definitely make it worse. But that shouldn't be a problem with vaping nicotine.

I actually might try this since nicotine is a bronchodilator.
The irony is that Ayahuasca was the thing that caused me to finally quit smoking, but I'll make the one exception for DMT.

 

[Asher7]

YES!!! There's the answer I was looking for! lol

I was wondering about the tobacco and aya thing but figured the two roa's and effects are two different beasts. I will say I have noticed in the past and in recent searches that a lot of people mention 0 nicotine when they write up teks or recipes etc. So far I can't decypher if they're stressing no nicotine or just including it as a part of their preferred method.

Either way I'm nervous to try it now. I know for example salvia and alcohol are an absolute no no when it comes to mixing. Whether that's just me or not I don't know but I got quite the intergalactic slap from sally when I made that mistake, and as a whole it seems I have much friendler experiences than what would be considered average.

If you will, let me know how that turns out when you give it a try. I'm going to pick up some 0 juice tomorrow and make a new batch but I'm kind of tempted to try the juice I have with nicotine somewhere later on once I have an idea of what a "clean" experience is just to see what happens.

Do you guys believe these "entities" are really other conscious beings capable of being offended etc. or that it's just dmt and a drug and that's just what drugs do and so on? I'm sure there are plenty threads on the topic but I'd like to hear what you guys think.

 

[ducdevil]

I doubt the nicotine would pose any serious risks at normal concentration. Seems to be a fairly common practice in the Amazon to mix tobacco in with Ayahuasca and to smoke tobacco while on it. I would not want to consume such a brew as my stomach has a hard enough time with regular ayahuasca and tobacco would definitely make it worse. But that shouldn't be a problem with vaping nicotine.

I actually might try this since nicotine is a bronchodilator.
The irony is that Ayahuasca was the thing that caused me to finally quit smoking, but I'll make the one exception for DMT.

keep in mind, this guy said he had 12mg nicotine juice; a FAR higher concentration than smoking any type of tobacco.

as i mentioned i like to vape after i launch; i just think there is some (unexplained) synergy when the two are mixed/vaped simultaneously. i have no chemistry to back this up, only my personal experience. every time i have (and i have stopped now) vaped spice with nicotine juice it has had a very dark, unpleasant quality. no nicotine, smooth, beautiful flight.

yet, this is only my experience; for others it might be fantastic. who knows?

 

[syberdelic]

For my own use, I wouldn't want a lot of nicotine. Maybe 0.1-0.5 mg/toke. My intention would be simply bronchodilation. I would not want any in the stomach which is not a problem with vaping and I don't want any significant stimulant properties. DMT on it's own is plenty stimulating and any more would just add more panic/anxiety to the trip.

 

[Asher7]

Ok so here we go one more time. This time .8 d fresh off the tray and 2 1/2 ml. of 0 nicotine juice. Poured off my last naptha into the tray spilling it all over the floor so that's my tithe, paid my dues, cleaned house of all that which someone might have a problem with and clearing out my mind with the help of a video Running Bear posted right on time. Weird thing, a head at work randomly walked up to me and said "Good luck, we're all counting on you". I have no idea what he was talking about but it seems ironically suitable for tonight's adventure. I wonder if somewhere out there some spirits are prepping themselves for a new visitor.

Looks like snake venom. 3,2,1...See ya bro.