Inception - the movie

[BloodShotEyes]

Has anyone tried watching the new trailer for the movie Inception?

I saw it first on TV, and right away something in the commercial grabed my attention.

It was that part where the buildings just start rolling up and closing in. Made me think right away about the salvia's rolling reality experience. I could almost feel it closing in on me. I'm hundered percent sure that whoever wrote that part of the movie must have experienced salvia. Of course, i could be wrong. It's just too much like it.

I've actually been meaning to discuss some more on salvia.

Having only done it a meare few times. Some of the most potent psychedelic experiences for myself to date. Except maybe for 6g mushrooms + MAOI.

Having done salvia, somehow i know exactly what it would be like if a huge gamma ray burst exploded in earths path, which can happen at any moment without any warning, btw. Or, being hit on the back of the head with an axe, struck by a huge locomotive, completely squashed by a massive object, etc. For me, it usually involves some kind of profound deformation, not just ego death.

Can anyone else relate to that? I know there is not that many salvia users on here, i don't even consider myself to be one. But i do think it is a very fascinating substance just because it exists and gives that type of signature to the psychedelic mind.

Maybe there is some kind of purpose to the substance that lets us experience complete demolition destruction type experience. The world as you know it, closing in on you..

 

[LucidJ]

Ya, really! I have had this crazy time/space multidimensional unfolding... the trailer reminded me of it right away.

It seemed to me saliva let me see behind the scenes, where the set of our illusory reality is constructed for the next scene of our time experience, and it would fold in from all sides of me vision so I was seeing in 5D or something. Nutz.

 

[EverydayFiend]

Maybe The Trailer Caused a flash back? darn things have messed my head.

 

[BloodShotEyes]

Oh yes, definetly i really do have a flashback every time i see the trailer. As a matter of fact i've been having salvia flashbacks every since i tried it for the first time. I don't know how much acid i've done but i've never had flashbacks before.

Also, at least for me to get a super vivid/dimensional experience like the one in the trailer, salvia would have to be done while on some other psychedelic. For example, 4-5 hours into a few grams of shrooms. Then hit salvia, one is going to be in for a huge surprise. I suspect, the sooner one can accept the inevitable faith of profound deformation, the sooner one will be able to cross into hyperspace. Beyond the initial desctruction of the world/mind.

Another interesting thing, is that about two weeks after mashrooms + salvia breakthrouh, i tried MAOI + 6g cubes, and it somehow became an extension of that salvia experience but on even greater magnitude because it lasted much longer.

 

[L_Star]

it looks good

 

[Global]

I can't personally attest to self-demolition, but usually the demolition of all memories, values and the physical reality itself seem to take place

 

[Global]

I saw the movie yesterday, and to those who have seen it, perhaps you will understand better what I'm saying, but in the movie, they explain (I don't think this constitutes spoilers as it happened in the first 20 min or so) that the people in the dream reality, other than the dreamers themselves are projections of the dreamer's subconscious. I know that there are many who believe that the DMT entities are autonomous, and while I do lean this way, I admit that I am truly torn on what to believe on this subject matter, but the other extreme would be that they are projections of the subconscious. In pondering it recently, my current viewpoint on the matter (and a loosely held viewpoint at that) is that hyperspace and its inhabitants, as we view them, may be partially autonomous in that they do exist outside our minds, but our brains are still filtering that reality to some degree, ever-interpreting what we see, as opposed to simply and purely displaying that reality. What do you guys think?

 

[D-Rock138]

First off inception was amazing like the actual play out wasn't very dmt like, way more grounded in reality, but a lot of the concepts were very dmt related like the time dialation and the general idea of being an architech. Really the whole time I was thinking that the guy from drag me to hell must have the best dmt ever. As for the above question I think that the aliens we see are just projections of our subconcious its just most logical. It would be really cool if there were some alien or extra-dimitional explantion but I actually think its more amazing that we created all this I mean think about what that about the power of the human mind and each individuals creativity.

 

[hyperspacing]

I saw this movie on Saturday and I gotta say it was AWESOME!! Concepts and visual effects were outstanding. I also took a low pharma dose wich made things a bit interesting. I didn't take enough to really cloud my mind just to add some light/color effects maybe a little visual distortion but not much lol. I don't wanna spoil anything so ill wait til more people see it before we get into plot discussion.

 

[Ginkgo]

This movie premiers at wednesday here in Norway, and I am really looking forward to see it! I absolutey love the trailer, and I must say I find it intruging that movies about our mind reaches the cinemas all over the world. It certainly is true what McKenna said: Our imagination, the inside of our head, really is the most vast frontier!

 

[gibran2]

I saw the movie yesterday, and to those who have seen it, perhaps you will understand better what I'm saying, but in the movie, they explain (I don't think this constitutes spoilers as it happened in the first 20 min or so) that the people in the dream reality, other than the dreamers themselves are projections of the dreamer's subconscious. I know that there are many who believe that the DMT entities are autonomous, and while I do lean this way, I admit that I am truly torn on what to believe on this subject matter, but the other extreme would be that they are projections of the subconscious. In pondering it recently, my current viewpoint on the matter (and a loosely held viewpoint at that) is that hyperspace and its inhabitants, as we view them, may be partially autonomous in that they do exist outside our minds, but our brains are still filtering that reality to some degree, ever-interpreting what we see, as opposed to simply and purely displaying that reality. What do you guys think?

There are levels of DMT experiences where it becomes quite obvious that what one is experiencing is not a product of the mind, at least not as we understand “mind”. I call these “reality-confirming” experiences, and once you have one, you’ll understand.

Your question about what we see being “filtered” seems correct to me. After all, isn’t this how your brain constructs everyday reality? We are constantly bombarded by electromagnetic radiation (sight), waves of pressure in the atmosphere (sound), and numerous other physical phenomena, and from this your brain constructs a coherent “model” or what is actually out there. Why would it be any different with DMT?

The analogy I like to use is that our brains act like television receivers. Everyday reality is one particular channel. DMT changes the channel. But exactly what we perceive depends on the receiver – a black and white TV will only display black and white images, even if the signal contains color information. A “low def” TV will display in low def even if a high definition signal is being received.

It seems reasonable then that what we see while under the influence of DMT is the brain’s best attempt at constructing "reality" based on the signals it is receiving. Everything we experience, including everyday reality, is constructed and abstracted by the brain.

 

[BloodShotEyes]

It seems that i do share a very similar view point to that of gobalswg and gibran2. Might seem kind of foolish maybe but it was not until very recently that i started to think that the simple type of visuals we get on even low to mild doses of psychedelics, that they are real. Those visuals are always there all around us, it's just that usually we don't see them because they get filtered. Then when we are on that particular ethonogen it lets us by-pass certain filteres. And every ethonogen will let us by-pass different filteres, that's why different subastances have different visuals.

As a matter of fact, it might not even have to be an ethonogen or a psychedelic at all. Mayans used to exhaust themselves for weeks and then cut their penises off just to breakthrouh and get to where they were trying to get to. Whatever works for the individual i suppose. But it certaintly seems that they were aware of a lot of things most of us are not aware of at this time. That's true shamanism.

If one looks into quantum physics just a little bit (an electron being in 2 places at the same time) and different dimensions that could be right in front of us, possibly even an infinite number of dimensions, it might not seem to be that impossible. Yeah, i know i'm weird.

 

[PureMan]

Through SWIMs personal experience, he believes that "entities" can only be a product of the human imagination. The ego needs to find something to cling to. True "breakthrough" or ego loss experiences are beyond entity contact. True breakthrough is a fractal void.

SWIM did have a recent "clown elf" experience where it seemed as though these clowns were mind raping him... but I believe his ego made this story up within the divine imagination.

 

[Global]

I have had experiences where it seemed like I had no clue how my mind could have been drawing on past experiences to create such imagery, however just because something seems completely alien, or just because I can't consciously figure out how it was a product of the mind, like I can many times with dreams, does not necessarily entail that the opposite is true (that it's not a product of the mind).

 

[gibran2]

Through SWIMs personal experience, he believes that "entities" can only be a product of the human imagination. The ego needs to find something to cling to. True "breakthrough" or ego loss experiences are beyond entity contact. True breakthrough is a fractal void.

SWIM did have a recent "clown elf" experience where it seemed as though these clowns were mind raping him... but I believe his ego made this story up within the divine imagination.

Why does the ego need something to cling to? You aren’t the first to say this, but those who say it seem to accept it as a given without question. I haven’t yet heard a satisfactory explanation for why this must be the case.

It has been my experience that the absence/presence of entities has little to do with the depth of the experience or the degree of ego loss. Obviously, there is significant variation in individuals' subjective DMT experiences.

I have had experiences where it seemed like I had no clue how my mind could have been drawing on past experiences to create such imagery, however just because something seems completely alien, or just because I can't consciously figure out how it was a product of the mind, like I can many times with dreams, does not necessarily entail that the opposite is true (that it's not a product of the mind).

It’s true that just because something seems completely alien doesn’t mean that it isn’t a product of the mind. But then we’re left to explain how our minds can create complete, coherent, detailed, seemingly independent worlds that have no basis in anything that has ever been seen in everyday reality. If our mind is the sole author of these experiences, then what is it that it draws on to create such places?

 

[ragabr]

It has been my experience that the absence/presence of entities has little to do with the depth of the experience or the degree of ego loss.

This matches SWIM's experiences completely. She encounters entities when no degree of ego-loss approaches and she feels completely centered and has encountered them when no ego remains and pure awareness presents itself.

 

[Global]

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually hoping/banking on the fact that what we see is an independent reality, I'm just trying to approach the matter critically. Perhaps the visions are complex sums of a multitude of data, particularly from early childhood, a time in which memories are not easily accessible.

 

[Sublime]

I really need to get out and see this..the whole concept interests me deeply..

 

[Hyperontosis]

Maybe The Trailer Caused a flash back? darn things have messed my head.

Hehe, I'm still having ARMY flashbacks, and I didn't even see COMBAT. Any kind of stress on the self will offer flashbacks, even if the stress is so-called "eustress" or benign stress (deforming back into a better condition, I suppose). Don't have to feel that your head has been messed up by Salvia. It probably only helped you see how your head was already a mess, and is reminding you that you haven't quite tweaked it back into harmony yet...

Sometimes healing leaves a bruise too, so maybe it's positive in that way.

But, maybe you like the story of having fucked up your head with Salvia. It's all good. I'm just saying, stress and flashbacks don't have to out and out mean "negative", and it can mean "changes" still going on, like digestion. Think of burping and farting and digestive movements as a flashback of shoving food into your face, so to speak.

I haven't done Salvia yet, for that matter. What I've seen is that you don't do Her, but She does YOU. I'm not afraid of that. From the descriptions I've heard, I want her to ride me every night. We'll see if we can't hit it off on the conservative tip first though, like holding hands in the moonlight..

 

[vampir]

I too just recently watched Inception, and it did remind me of my salvia trip. It definitely felt like I was in another dimension, but since i only tried it once (and of course my initial response was very panicky and shocked) I didn't have much control over what was happening.

Someone was mentioning the arguement whether the spice beings are autonomous or simply projections of our own mind. How about a combination of both? Perhaps the beings are autonomous in a way, just like the other dreamers in Inception, but our subconscious fills in the rest: a balance of both seems to be the best explanation in my opinion.