Sicho Naut
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I did mix the tincture with a bit of coca cola (acidic), approx. 40ml. But maybe that is too little?
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I'm not sure. Definitive pH adjustment with a colourless substance seems preferable!
Do you usually use a cola drink for this purpose, or generally with your brews?
Sicho Naut
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This is the third time I've tried it, with the purpose of turning the DMT into a salt form. I feel ambiguous about it, but after 1+ year of drinking horrid vinegar brews I refuse to continue using vinegar. I've heard citric acid is more neutral-tasting acid, but have yet to try it.
There are several other food acids which taste far better than vinegar! Besides citric and ascorbic acid, malic, succinic and tartaric acid all have a reasonable flavour profile. I go for ascorbic both because of its easy availability here and also because of it being a vitamin. It also pairs well with a bit of honey and a drop of lemon essential oil for masking harmala brews
Sicho Naut
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Would the product of the alcohol extraction after the lime treatment be pure enough for enhanced leaf/changa?
Also, would trace amounts of lime be (completely?) removed by running the tincture through a cotton ball filter? If it were only to remove trace amounts trapped in the upper layer, the process would simply be letting it run through the filter, yes?
Also, would trace amounts of lime be (completely?) removed by running the tincture through a cotton ball filter? If it were only to remove trace amounts trapped in the upper layer, the process would simply be letting it run through the filter, yes?
A cotton filter cleans it up nicely from lime. The thing to watch out for is mould if evaporating at room temperature, because of the water content. I'd advise use of a bain marie for evaporating the vodka-strength tincture. Redissolve in acetone or pure alcohol for mixing the changa.
Sicho Naut
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Removing excess plant matter from the untreated vodka tincture was a more involved process than I had hoped for. The long and short of it is that you need to dilute the tincture with water because the vodka redissolves most of the precipitated plant matter once it thaws (unlike with water brews, where the plant matter conveniently sticks to the bottom).
The question now is whether there is still enough alcohol in there to prevent the lime to drag down the DMT along with tannins etc. So, it would be very useful to find out this:
Ideally, diluting with water would not cause an issue here. If really necessary some more ethanol could of course be added after the freeze/thaw cycles and before the lime step. (Evap of the alcohol before consumption seems preferable anyway, IMO).
But it is unclear to me whether 'dilutedness'/concentration of the alcohol matters for the lime step or if the issue is simply that there be enough ml of alcohol to hold the DMT, even if it is in a larger amount of water than initially.
That being said, I am probably done with this lime tek. I think it's a promising tek for convenient pharmahuasca but now that I have experienced first-hand (by way of contrast) the important role that the plants play in the experience, I will probably just continue working with alcohol brews for oral DMT adventures.
But for those who want to experiment further: it seems reasonable to assume that a freeze/thaw step would result in much less need for lime and hence a significantly bigger yield. (IMO it is unlikely that all the DMT is pushed up into the alcohol layer after the lime step, as Denverrevolution suggests. After pipetting off the alcohol of my first experiment, I diluted the remaining lime layer with water and it turned DMT-yellow, just slightly darker than the pipetted off alcohol layer. Though perhaps even negligible amounts of DMT could colorize water, I don't know.)
Will report back in the future if I have anything significant to share. Otherwise I probably won't be spending much time here anymore as I find that even small amounts of social media/internetting/etc. are disruptive to my peace of mind. Thanks for the help @Transform, I hope others will develop this tek further!
The question now is whether there is still enough alcohol in there to prevent the lime to drag down the DMT along with tannins etc. So, it would be very useful to find out this:
Ideally, diluting with water would not cause an issue here. If really necessary some more ethanol could of course be added after the freeze/thaw cycles and before the lime step. (Evap of the alcohol before consumption seems preferable anyway, IMO).
But it is unclear to me whether 'dilutedness'/concentration of the alcohol matters for the lime step or if the issue is simply that there be enough ml of alcohol to hold the DMT, even if it is in a larger amount of water than initially.
That being said, I am probably done with this lime tek. I think it's a promising tek for convenient pharmahuasca but now that I have experienced first-hand (by way of contrast) the important role that the plants play in the experience, I will probably just continue working with alcohol brews for oral DMT adventures.
But for those who want to experiment further: it seems reasonable to assume that a freeze/thaw step would result in much less need for lime and hence a significantly bigger yield. (IMO it is unlikely that all the DMT is pushed up into the alcohol layer after the lime step, as Denverrevolution suggests. After pipetting off the alcohol of my first experiment, I diluted the remaining lime layer with water and it turned DMT-yellow, just slightly darker than the pipetted off alcohol layer. Though perhaps even negligible amounts of DMT could colorize water, I don't know.)
Will report back in the future if I have anything significant to share. Otherwise I probably won't be spending much time here anymore as I find that even small amounts of social media/internetting/etc. are disruptive to my peace of mind. Thanks for the help @Transform, I hope others will develop this tek further!
Thank you for trying this out, I hope to be able to add to the technical notes over the coming months.