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Interaction within the spiritual realm

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Caligulitica

Caligulitica

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I figured this theory from reading a post previously today, and please, all feedback is accepted

Do we interact with eachother in the spiritual realm?

A personal theory of mine would be that we all have our own special realm that we visit from time to time when we decide to alter our perception with powerful hallucinagents, but you have imagine these realms being like town square, and we all have our own shop with different things and different visuals, and occasionally we leave our shop and venture other parts of town square. Then imagine DMT being the town meeting hall.(this pointed because of the identical trips that have been shared by others)

What I am trying to get at is what if we did see eachother in this realm, but you also have to know that maybe we do not look the same, maybe some of these strange animals or god-like insects are just people within there spiritual body. If you look into Shamanism it says we all have our own spiritual guide, i have gone to go see one here in California along with a few friends of mine and we were all helped to find our spiritual guides. We frequently use DMT and have all experienced many animals and insects being as people or god-like spirits as well. So, I personally believe that we do interact with eachother in these realms as our spiritual guide, but because of the inense euphoria we accept it as something unearthly and out of this world other than people exploring this spiritual realm.
 
I think, if there are reasons to interact, wich must be personal reasons, it's not that unlikely.
But for the mind, to do all this effort to interact with someone, there must be a relevance to it.
 
possibly it could be like some sorta problem solver or task achieving realm we enter when we have unfinished bussiness. or some sort of future teller.
 
burnt said:
^^I think your idea depends on whether or not there is one spirits two is the spirit capable of leaving the intact body.

when you speak of spiritual realm what exactly do you mean?
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Maybe it is possible to act, AS IF, the spirit has left the body (with all the associated phenomena as ESP) without it nessecarily having to be so.
Maybe the brain can 'figure out' things if it used in a different manner.
Scientists have recently found out that in our brain we all have mirror neurons to mirror other people, more then we're even aware of. Maybe our brain make's 'copy's' of people we know, so we are able to tell how someone is feeling even if this person is in another location.
 
Scientists have recently found out that in our brain we all have mirror neurons to mirror other people, more then we're even aware of. Maybe our brain make's 'copy's' of people we know, so we are able to tell how someone is feeling even if this person is in another location.
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Any details on this?

Maybe it is possible to act, AS IF, the spirit has left the body (with all the associated phenomena as ESP) without it nessecarily having to be so.
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Possible but then how does the information get to the spirit or consciousness?
 
burnt said:
Scientists have recently found out that in our brain we all have mirror neurons to mirror other people, more then we're even aware of. Maybe our brain make's 'copy's' of people we know, so we are able to tell how someone is feeling even if this person is in another location.
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Any details on this?

Maybe it is possible to act, AS IF, the spirit has left the body (with all the associated phenomena as ESP) without it nessecarily having to be so.
Click to expand...

Possible but then how does the information get to the spirit or consciousness?
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that my friend, is where the interaction within the spiritual realm happens
 
well, I guess you can imagine an endless power grid, and every point on this grid represents each of us on this planet and the core of all of us would be the generator(spiritual realm) and we can see the raw power(knowledge) and all the unique things of it if we travel our way up to the generator with a little current of energy, though when we reach this point we see things hightened and transformed because of all the power that is given off from this generator.
 
I like your analogy. But my question now is why us? Why use the word us. What is us? Humans? Animals plants where does it stop? Does it stop? I ask because I don't think human beings are all that special. We are not the crux of the universe we are not what makes it tick. At least I think so, to think we are is a bit arrogant and I think foolish. But please explain more.
 
it boils down to belief, I say us as in people who believe thaat there is another realm, or even to those who believe of the life after death, i place them on this grid because they choose to believe and everyone who is sentient of there spirituality are accepted, and its not even acceptence its more of placing yourself there

by us i mean those who place themselvesin this grid.
 
Spirituality is just another unanswered question that the weak minded throw away, let them be as flowers in the dark abyss of time, let no sun shine upon them and let them shrivel up beneath the feet of the wise...
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You could also look at it the other way around, seeing as there is no direct evidence and hence only a belief for what you are saying (correct me if I am wrong).

Beliefs can be false.

Also saying that someone who believes in the grid becomes part of the grid is also a bit skewed, what I mean is why? Why is belief part of this? Thats like saying if you believe in god he will be real and accept you into the kingdom of heaven and if you don't believe in him you will go to hell. I see very little difference between religious dogma and the idea you are putting forth (no offense intended just trying to draw some analogy).

What about animals that don't think about this kind of stuff? Are they part of the grid? Or only "enlightened" human beings?
 
when i say become part of the grid i do not mean it as in you will not be accepted if you do not choose to be a part of it but you will have been classified part of a group that did something. kinda like a sales man, some stay within a certain town to sell their products and some go from state to state thus becoming a traveling sales man. i'm sorry if i speak in cryptic words but i don't want you to think something totally different than what i am saying.
 
burnt said:
Spirituality is just another unanswered question that the weak minded throw away, let them be as flowers in the dark abyss of time, let no sun shine upon them and let them shrivel up beneath the feet of the wise...
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You could also look at it the other way around, seeing as there is no direct evidence and hence only a belief for what you are saying (correct me if I am wrong).

Beliefs can be false.

Also saying that someone who believes in the grid becomes part of the grid is also a bit skewed, what I mean is why? Why is belief part of this? Thats like saying if you believe in god he will be real and accept you into the kingdom of heaven and if you don't believe in him you will go to hell. I see very little difference between religious dogma and the idea you are putting forth (no offense intended just trying to draw some analogy).

What about animals that don't think about this kind of stuff? Are they part of the grid? Or only "enlightened" human beings?
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It's not different from religion really, except that there isn't a framework that you're being asked to put it in or classify it under or even visualize it as (although someo of us have come some way in that by characterizing 'the light' as elves)

An excellent comparison to draw is to the concept of LOVE: Is it real? Or is it only real to those who believe in it and let it in ;)

I'd suggest its quite easy to be cynical about love also... i mean, with all the divorce, lying, cheating, infidelity, murder, abuse, and hatred going on between people including married people... wouldn't it be simple to say love is like god, like the grid, like the spirit world... it doesn't exist.

Yet other's who have let love in, feel it all around them, give it out, get it back... it's reality is unmistakeable wherever they go.

So from the analogy of love I have deduced that god, the spirit world, all that stuff i used to shut out... and i mean completely, because society and my family don't believe UNLIKE love which they did.... well then, perhaps there is something 'real' about the fact that letting something in or not, does actually create or reduce or eliminate it's 'reality'.

100% of us accept a brick hitting us in the head hurts, but if we all agreed it felt sort of good, and taught our kids that etc... over time a brick to the head feeling good would become 'reality'.

If society opened up to psychedelics the way they did in the 60's, but on a more mainstream ie. "ACCEPTED REALITY" way, the path to the spirit world being accepted as reality would be made.

BUT... just like LSD was demonized, cults are demonized, and basically everyhing non-mainstream is demonized, including as of late extreme science like cloning, stem cells, and stirring against the cost of the collider in europe, well... i think what we are facing is the reality of love again. Demonizing this stuff comes from hatred, and hatred, the antithesis of love, eliminates any possibility for our society to reach a higher level.

Hey, i'm no hippie and i certainly don't eminate love and joy but it's what the elves tell me! If socity was encouraging that behaviour instead of running around hiding almost evertyhing i do.... well... thats not the path to enlightenment!

As for animals, my feeling is that it's the same for them. I have a very hard time watching something even as simple as a spider and not get the sensation it knows perfectly well what the fuck is going on as much as it has to... just like we humans don't know what going on under our couches ecosystem because we don't have to... the spider might think we're big dummies too.

But overall when it comes to animals, i don't think it necessary to compare since we know ourselves so little yet still.
 
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