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exiled reaper

exiled reaper

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Hello all once again

When I was about 15 yrs old I had some experience with sleep paralysis and if anyone here has ever been through this it is Very Very frightening to say the least. I would hear a slight ringing noise in my ears that grew intensely louder over a period of a miniute or two and when the noise got so loud and inside my head it would break me apart from my physical body and I would be left inside my body, screaming( but making no sound) and trying to get up but nothing!, until the experience was over. during these episodes I was under the influence of the experience for almost 2 hrs. I would, when able, get up and run to my parents bedroom , histerical, where no-one would believe me. THAT WAS MY FIRST EXPERIENCES WITH BEING AWAKE AND AWARE BUT NOT IN MY OWN PHYSICAL BODY.. TRAPPED INSIDE MYSELF AND ALL U CAN DO IS WAIT IT OUT..

When I was 17 I had a lucid dream where I walked into a house and saw a man sitting at a table, smoking MJ through an unusual bong with the hose(mouth piece)stuck into the side of his mouth as half his face was missing from a wound...STRANGE AND I DIDNT THINK ANYTHING OF IT UNTIL 3 yrs later).Just a silly dream!.
3 years later I walked into a house with a Cpl friends and there to my absolute amazement and fright, was sitting a man at the table, smoking MJ through a vegemite jar with a hose stuck into the side of his mouth because of a failed suicide attempt with a shotgun that had destroyed half his face!!!.. I was so bewildered and still am..

We all know of dejavou, but this was something else.
So if I can go into a dream state and see the future and have it come real a few years later what is the go??..

I also when I had a breakthrough experience on DMT not long ago I was taken to a place I had been many times before( subcontiously I knew this and was immediately frightened, it was so overwhelming) and the feelings of having been to this place were insane.

Dmt always shows me what I never thought it would, I hope for lovely space orientated journeys but get what I least expect every time...

Also on many different substances( shrooms, lsd ,25Inbome,mescalin,mda,2ct and so on, I have tried to will my journey or experience and I never ever can, I read peoples reports and see some whom think or can also control the DMT experience but, in my opinion and experience, wilfully controlling the experience is just impossible. What do you think??

So to draw a conclusion, I have travelled forward in time while sleeping normally, rememberd my dream of meeting this deformed man, then met this man in the physical world and now im doing DMT and going to familiar places I never remember seeing before but have seen and been many times....

I know many many people believe DMT is just another silly drug and there are also many many people whom think DMT is something more.. In my experience it points to the latter..

Any input will be much appreciated..
Peace out

Exiled Reaper:grin: :?
 
cheers , not really the answer I was expecting,:surprised but a good one and yes I realise that writing a word such as impossible here is rather contradictory , I was meaning for myself atm it seems unlikely for me to control these experiences IN MY EXPERIENCE, yours may differ that's why I asked., I am same as you as I have read thousands of trip reports and realise some people can do all sorts of things.

my main focus is on the dream/prediction I saw that came true? and if it happend while I was sleeping and dmt is suppose to be the drug hypothersized to facilitate the dream state it seems almost likely that some experiences may have more meaning than just a silly drug induced vision.
This dream/dejavu was over 20 years ago and it still boggles the mind

can these states actually be something more, but that is the all encompassing question. I guess this topic is old just I have never read some experiences put like this, it surprised me so many views and not many comments?, was this in the wrong section?..
all good, hope someone finds this interesting, cheers
peace out
reaper:thumb_up:
 
We can try to make sense of the dejavu(s) in terms of our native sannnnd religion.

There is an alchemical terminology called 'maktub'. It means that everything that has happened, is happening or would eventually happen is already known to the Oneness. It is quiet possible that during deep, dreamless sleep One (1) connects with the Oneness at some stage, and this ineffable (Hu) experience tints One's dreams later (during) that night?

Some people (jogis, beggars, bums, malangs, saliks, derwishes..... majzoobs) try connect with the Oneness moar regularly, during sleep, dreams and waking state, and/or by any (other) means available (to them).

As with everything, regular practice can lead to (some sort of) progress. And there are rewards. TMK once said: Nature rewards courage by removing impossible obstacles. And there are other rewards for things 'other then fearlessness (Love).


exiled reaper said:
...can these states actually be something more...?
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Yes....(..we think so). The testing grounds of life, dreams and psychedelic experiences move on dynamically with Ones' skill level and (at some station) it may seem as if they're always a bit moar challenging then Ones' skill level. Unless perhaps One (1) gets a firm understanding of the One (1) underlying truth (..if there is such a thing). We wouldn't know what that is.....

But we keep looking...even tho, we'd then call it: Remembrance.
 
Your post reminded me of the following documentary on sleep paralysis. Here is the preview. I know the documentary is playing on Netflix. Check it out if you have not already.

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I think we return to timelessness when we dream and when we engage with DMT. We return to something we cannot comprehend. Someplace where time does not exist. It's all a dream.
 
My hunch is that, when it comes to dreams, they're sort of a side-effect of the fact that our brains are complex enough to generate consciousness.

If the brain in REM sleep is connected enough that it can generate some kind of conscious awareness, then any activity in the system will map to some kind of conscious experience, despite the fact that the consciousness itself doesn't actually do anything.

More broadly, I think that's true of all conscious experiences. If you reach a certain level of complexity, consciousness happens. Not because it's useful for selected for, but just because it's an immaterial emergent property of information.

Blessings
~ND
 
When i was 17 (in 2007) i had a precognitive vision in a dream one night about me being in the hospital and i woke up all sweaty and a bit startled, but didn't put much thought in it, until 2 months later i was in the hospital with Salmonella Sepsis and almost died, then the day i was discharged from the hospital as soon as i got into my car and shut the door, the dream all of a sudden came back to me in that moment and i was like "holy crap!". I brushed it off as a rare/one time thing, apparently it wasn't a one time thing.

Fast forward to late 2013/early 2014, i had been experimenting around with Rue, Mimosa, and Acacia quite a bit since 2012, so one night (in January of 2014) i take a capsule of purified Harmalas and drink an Acacia and Lemon Balm tea. I don't quite remember the beginning of it, but somehow i ended up thinking about how i would love for my father to try this stuff before he's called home, at the time he had just turned 71 in December and i thought he still had at least 10 years or so left in him so i thought i had plenty of time. Then all of a sudden, i get this vision with my eyes closed of him in a hospital room, on the bed, dead, and i got the message that he was dead in the vision, i cried, i had real-time emotion as if it actually just happened, and i was told it was a vision of his death, thing is though i didn't know when it'd happen. So i come down, debating with myself if i should tell him, i wish i had, but i told my mom.

So about a week later, i tell him i think he should try some, and even though he felt a bit sick, which at the time i thought was the flu or something, he decides he wants to try the Harmalas, Acacia, and Lemon Balm. I'm not sure what he experienced, he didn't say much about it except that the experience was "rough as hell", and he did it in silent darkness which i'd imagine would be rough as hell lol, but the next few days after his experience he became pretty ill, and was suffering from MRSA Sepsis which he's had a time or two before years ago due to a surgery on his shoulder. Admitted him to the hospital a couple days before he died, i wasn't even thinking about the precognitive vision until the day he died. My mom had called me to tell me she thought me and my brother should go up there to see him, even though the docs said it looked like he was getting better with anti-biotics, and so on the way up to the hospital that vision popped up in my head and i was like freaking out man. We stayed a few hours, then me, my brother and our mom head home, a few hours later, we get the call, he's gone. Later my mom told me he told her he wasn't going to make it out of there, so i wonder if he knew or if he got anything from the experience he had with Acacia. My mom (an ex nurse) also thinks he had a pulmonary embolism and that that's what killed him rather than the MRSA Sepsis, even though the COD was listed as MRSA Sepsis.

So yes, i do think we can see into the future, i just don't know how it works, why it's so rare, and why we can't see the future more often, and further more, why did the two visions i've received have to do with death/near death?

Also it's worth noting that one night back in i think 2012 or 2013, i had a dream where it felt like my brain released some DMT, like i had a short DMT experience in my dream, and it felt identical to DMT. Which that, plus the two visions i've had (one in a dream and one on DMT/Harmalas) that seemed to come from the same source, it leads me to believe DMT may indeed play some role in this.
 
Nathanial.Dread said:
My hunch is that, when it comes to dreams, they're sort of a side-effect of the fact that our brains are complex enough to generate consciousness.

If the brain in REM sleep is connected enough that it can generate some kind of conscious awareness, then any activity in the system will map to some kind of conscious experience, despite the fact that the consciousness itself doesn't actually do anything.

More broadly, I think that's true of all conscious experiences. If you reach a certain level of complexity, consciousness happens. Not because it's useful for selected for, but just because it's an immaterial emergent property of information.

Blessings
~ND
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I don't think that counsciousness is a mere epiphenomenon. I think it IS being selected for, evolutionary.
Counsciousness is probably a very efficient way of realising a highly effective and usefull form of self-organisation.
You know something about logic, so then you also know that there often are multiple ways of solving a problem. The simplest, but least elegant way to solve a problem is often just the use of 'shear power'. And then there are the more intelligent and elegant ways to do it, that can save you a lot of computing power.

I think that counsciousness is an efficient way to solve problems, that can save a lot of computing power. Computing power that would require a lot of calories, so from an evolutionary perspective it realy makes a lot of sense if you can find 'shortcuts'.

I think the key element here, is the relation between counsciousness and attention. Why 'attention' is usefull and efficient isn't hard to see. The alternative for attention is just to have an awfull lot of computing power and speed so that you can simultaneously proces everything that's being thrown at you. You then wouldn't need to prioritize or to focus on one or two things, because you would have so much power and speed that there would be virtually no limits to how much you could proces. You could spot a familiar face among more than 20.000 unfamiliar faces in less than a millisecond, while doing a complex math-problem at the same time. But like i said,from a darwinian point of view it just wouldn't make any sense to equip humans with a brain that powerfull.
To have a system that can prioritize tasks, but in an interactive way, so that it's not too fixated, is realy smart and efficient. It saves you all that inneficient and unneeded power.

I don't realy know how counsciousness and attention are related, but thát they're related somehow, is obvious.
 
exiled reaper said:
Hello all once again
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We all know of dejavou, but this was something else.
So if I can go into a dream state and see the future and have it come real a few years later what is the go??..

I also when I had a breakthrough experience on DMT not long ago I was taken to a place I had been many times before( subcontiously I knew this and was immediately frightened, it was so overwhelming) and the feelings of having been to this place were insane.

[..]

So to draw a conclusion, I have travelled forward in time while sleeping normally, rememberd my dream of meeting this deformed man, then met this man in the physical world and now im doing DMT and going to familiar places I never remember seeing before but have seen and been many times....

I know many many people believe DMT is just another silly drug and there are also many many people whom think DMT is something more.. In my experience it points to the latter..

Any input will be much appreciated..
Peace out
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This was going to be the last sentence but i think it is a good summary to the following: Location, actually, as a fundamental component of the universe, may be incredibly likely to exhibit paranormal aspects of itself!

It was possible for you to reach a location with a consciousness that contained valid information abuot your future experience! Then it is very possible that locations experienced with consciousness adjusted by DMT in various ways are definitely real locations, just perhaps, locations that can only be experienced by certain formats of consciousness.

Consciousness seems to go hand in hand with perception of location.

Reports of unusual states of consciousness where people feel that they are no longer experiencing any type of location at all may exist but I haven't read anything close to this; there is always some format of location even when it is a timeless void: Only when people experience a full loss of consciousness do they seem to experience no location, and that seems to be only because there is no signal of a location that does exist (when this is a person who loses consciousness and returns to consciousness is definitely in a location and just not able to have a main perception)

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Then, it is possible to say, casually at least, for the sake of exploring and feeling the idea, that consciousness itself is a location; just as for example objects are also locations that tend to be both surrounded by more locations and filled with more locations, when considering atomic and subatomic particles to be locations which they certainly seem to be!!

It seems very possible to write, again moreso casually than definitively, that location as a phenomenon in the universe well outclasses most others in terms of its sheer persistence and presence; especially when this includes all possible formats of consciousness.
 
Thankyou all for your input , I will read and integrate a.s.a.p.. I have much more dmt to experience the void and am just getting over the issues I speak about here... Once again THANKYOU EVERYONE.

Be Safe
E<REAPER:)
 
DmnSra8,
thanks for the input mate,
I just watched the preview and yes that's how it is just without the hell and shadow man lol,,
but cheers for sharing that, its hard to find a clip that shows how intensely frightening sleep paralysis is and can be...at least to the unexpecting..
 
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