Is DMT secondhand possible?

[Dream2Awaken]

Would it be possible for someone to experience DMT secondhand?

Occasionally when I'm tripping with someone in the room(who hasn't smoked any). They will often describe experiencing a trip, but to a minor degree.

Also in a documentary about NDE's. A member of a prison execution squad said that spectators at the lethal injections. Would describe sharing the experience with the one that's being executed, and they would also experience NDE's.

Maybe even our animals are experiencing it. When I'm tripping, my dog is as well. It's possible it could be the dog just reading my body language and reacting. It's also just as possible that my dog IS tripping too.

It's easy to assume we are all spiritually connected, but how connected?

Is it possible that there is some field of energy that DMT taps us into, that can extend past our vessels, and effect others?

Thoughts and opinions on the matter would be appreciated.

 

[Global]

Would it be possible for someone to experience DMT secondhand?

Occasionally when I'm tripping with someone in the room(who hasn't smoked any). They will often describe experiencing a trip, but to a minor degree.

Also in a documentary about NDE's. A member of a prison execution squad said that spectators at the lethal injections. Would describe sharing the experience with the one that's being executed, and they would also experience NDE's.

Maybe even our animals are experiencing it. When I'm tripping, my dog is as well. It's possible it could be the dog just reading my body language and reacting. It's also just as possible that my dog IS tripping too.

It's easy to assume we are all spiritually connected, but how connected?

Is it possible that there is some field of energy that DMT taps us into, that can extend past our vessels, and effect others?

Thoughts and opinions on the matter would be appreciated.

From a physical perspective it seems unlikely that someone would inhale second hand DMT in the air and have anything noticeable happen at all (as opposed to second-hand cannabis perhaps). After all, it's hard enough to get something to happen when you're actually trying to. You need to not only get a smoking utensil, but one that's effective enough to get enough DMT in your lungs for you to notice something. So if there is some "second-hand" action going on, then I find it unlikely to be a result of inhaling second-hand DMT vapor.

In regards to the prisoner squad NDE's, most people generally aren't in the immediate presence of somebody who knows they're about to be killed by other human beings. We see it in movies and television all the time, but I'd imagine being right there may provide very different reactions. Perhaps in the presence of imminent death, there is so much anxiety and tension in the air that the spectator's nervous systems begin to simulate an NDE.

Having given that materialist skeptic approach to the situation, I find it likely that DMT may be tapping into a field of energy. Perhaps you may find some satisfying information here
I've been reading books by the author of that article, and whilst he doesn't frame things in terms of the DMT or psychedelic experience, to me the connections are clear.

 

[Thesmorphia]

Before anyone gets into the chemical possibilities and 'self-hypnosis' and so forth: Yes. It's possible.

I've dosed people with Ayahuasca when sober myself, and there IS a definite and noticeable shift in consciousness, usually in proportion to how well I know the person, and how comfortable I feel around them.

Apart from spiritual considerations, it may be that we release something in our pheromones that can alter brain chemistry in those around us, especially when we're in extraordinary states. If you've ever taken a high dose of mushrooms and noticed that you smell different, that's not an illusion. Other people seem to pick up on it as well, even if they're not aware of it. Try taking a very low (1-2 gram) dose of mushrooms and interacting with strangers. They WILL treat you differently, even if you're acting completely normal. We share a lot of information via pheromones. I wouldn't be surprised if we can share extraordinary states of being as well. This is already sort of accepted, in a negative context. 'Mass hysteria'.

Whatever it is, it can be damned spooky.

 

[Dream2Awaken]

I should have clarified the "secondhand" part. I didn't actually mean inhalation of vapors. More in the sense of tripping because your near someone tripping, and without taking any yourself. Thank you for the link. I think I'm going to enjoy reading it.


"I've dosed people with Ayahuasca when sober myself, and there IS a definite and noticeable shift in consciousness, usually in proportion to how well I know the person, and how comfortable I feel around them. "

On what scale was your experiences when it happened? 1-10. Was it a decent trip or just enough to notice the difference? Any OEV's or CEV's?

 

[Thesmorphia]

It wasn't an especially pyrotechnic experience. CEVs and time dilation, effects on attention, and that distinct widening of the mental viewing field effect that characterizes Ayahuasca experiences. I'm certain a dedicated analyst could argue it down to self-hypnosis or some kind of memory-trigger effect, but for my money it had a definite weight to it.

 

[Dream2Awaken]

but for my money it had a definite weight to it.

Good news to hear.

I wonder what extent it could go to.

 

[Thesmorphia]

I think it would depend on how closely connected you were to the person taking it. If it was a lover, a spouse, someone you lived with and were very closely synergized to, I think you could have a strong experience, especially if you were both on the same mental/emotional wavelength at the time.

 

[Dream2Awaken]

I think it would depend on how closely connected you were to the person taking it. If it was a lover, a spouse, someone you lived with and were very closely synergized to, I think you could have a strong experience, especially if you were both on the same mental/emotional wavelength at the time.

Couldn't agree more. Me and my brother are very close and often trip harder when we do it together.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

Hey everybody. First real post here (other than intro post)

Here's something... I have not done DMT yet. Bark is on its way. But there are things I notice around me happening. Like just yesterday I was lookin at a table with a tiled wall meeting up to a mirror and the tiles shifted. Then the other day the room I was in sort of shook and I lost balance, this room had many other people in it and they felt nothing. My co-workers talk about whatever subject and some how the third eye comes up in to conversation. Another person mentioned if I had seen a video that had two people tripping hard on DMT in the bush. Oh and I had a hoodie on and someone said I looked like a wizard and I said or Machine Elf without even thinking it. All of these things are I think tapping in to, or leading up to DMT. Could just be in my head, we will see what other clues I can find in the next few days!

Maybe that relates to what you are talking about, or not. I know there was someone who said they had drempt about the glass jars and making it, then 3 months later they were there making it IRL.

 

[Purges]

I had a Changa session with a good friend recently. After a fairly decent sized hit, 20 mg or so, nothing happened, which I thought was kind of odd, but I was already nicely Changa-fied any way so continued to bask in my head.

My friend then proceeded to take her hit, and about 10 seconds later I was hit by a tidal wave of psychedelia from the other side of the room as it hit her, I remember seeing some sort of DNA helix type thing that was extraordinarily beautiful. I tripped pretty hard for a few more minutes after that as well, it was a very odd but pleasant journey.

So yeah I think it is possible, although I had a fair amount of Changa in my system already, so no doubt that affected things.

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

The effect on others is definitely real, and I chalk it up to the interconnectedness thing. The energy you're putting out strikes a chord with those around you on some level, and so they reflect it in some way(I'm sure there's a physical correlate of that interaction). It's like how a person with a strong personality, or someone who has just gone through an intense experience can completely alter everyone's vibe as soon as they enter the room.

Personally, I've had some success with sharing my mushroom trips. By forming an intimate relationship with the magical fungi, I feel like I've learned some of their ways, and how to trigger in others what they trigger in me. It has worked best with people I'm already close with, but I've been able to get others "high" on my energy as well. Partially just discussion will do this, as when I'm on my game I can playfully poke people's minds and unlock thoughts and sensations they didn't realize were there. But I've also been able to induce CEVs and enhanced sensual experiences by laying my hands on a friend's head and intentionally pouring thoughts, visions, and feelings into him.

Also, toward the end of my last ayahuasca journey, I started thinking about this amazing girl I used to date(we're still good friends). I had all these cool visions of us playing around in the mountains, laughing and doing magical things. I shot her a text right then(about 6 in the morning)saying I hoped her new living situation was going well, and she instantly replied back, saying she was just having the craziest dream about me, where she was riding on my shoulders and I was magically running around the mountains, taking huge strides and covering a lot of ground. I'm sure it wasn't coincidence, and there was some causation going on. One of my goals with my future aya sessions is to see what kind of psychic connections we can open up in a group, and how we can expand those kinds of abilities in the sober world.

 

[Shamasi Wiz]

Plus, I've read several accounts of people who come to a shaman for a certain ailment, and the shaman will drink ayahuasca, but not the patient. They can then work on the parts of the person that are connected to these "spiritual" realms, thereby enacting a cure.

And yes, I do think that DMT can make us aware of dimensions of being that everything is connected to.

 

[benzyme]

secondhand like effect from secondhand smoke?
probably not.
two factors: plasma concentration, and metabolism.

as it is, you have to hit it like you mean it (within something like 30 s.), directly, to get a decent effect.

a good friend of mine didn't get any effects from me vaping it; maybe I didn't do enough mental telepathy

 

[Global]

secondhand like effect from secondhand smoke?
probably not.
two factors: plasma concentration, and metabolism.

as it is, you have to hit it like you mean it (within something like 30 s.), directly, to get a decent effect.

a good friend of mine didn't get any effects from me vaping it; maybe I didn't do enough mental telepathy

^^^

I should have clarified the "secondhand" part. I didn't actually mean inhalation of vapors. More in the sense of tripping because your near someone tripping, and without taking any yourself.

 

[benzyme]

ahh then, yes, I suppose it's possible. the power of suggestion, in a sense.
if you yawn, you can get your friend to yawn too

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

I've heard it called hitchhiking by Shulgin. It's true with all hallucinogens. But it has nothing to do with second hand smoke. I think its more to do with energy.

 

[benzyme]

probably has little to do with energy, but more to do with subconscious/psychological mimicry

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

Or them pretending to appear "cool".

People have "tripped" off life savers wrapped in foil, that had nothing on them before...

 

[dtrypt]

Contact high - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I've seen this happen before and I've experienced it myself from being around people smoking weed when I wasn't... Mammalian empathy is a complex thing and I think it all boils down to mirror neurons doing their thing...

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

I know my perception is altered slightly when I'm around people who are way out there and I'm grounded. Maybe It's placebo, maybe not.