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Is our reality a school/prison also after this life?

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geeg30 said:
You should do a check on the history of passports, there isn't any hidden agenda. They are specifically issued to allow you to return to your home country
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You also need one to leave your home country. Free people aren't required to have government permission to leave their country.

You expect money for free?? In times gone by the bartering system was used as everyone needs stuff - money just makes it that bit easier and some people are greedier than others.
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That's basically true, it's theoretically used to make bartering easier, but the money used in all the western countries is issued by a central bank and is essentially a debt. This scam has been going on for centuries, do some research on money. Central banks are owned by private banks, they profit from the issuance of money. In the US they buy Treasury Bonds with money printed by them, out of nowhere, causing inflation. They then turn around and sell those bonds on the open market, for an increased price due to interest, and make a profit this way. Research this issue.

Money As Debt

The Money Masters

Money, Banking and the Federal Reserve


As has mostly every other society since the advent of agriculture. Once humans get some spare time on their hands then the desire for other things increases.
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That's true, but the degree it has been taken to here in the US and to a lesser extent in western Europe is astounding. You're leaving out the manipulation of people's unconscious desires. See Edward Bernays and his techniques of using his uncle Sigmund Freuds theories to make people want things. See The Century of the Self. Bernays perfected this technique many decades ago and it's been fined tuned over the years. Look how McDonalds happy meals are marketed to children with the use of toys. Do you think the marketing agency doesn't know that children will nag their parents to no end until they finally give in and buy them the happy meal? Look how sports cars are marketed to dis-satisfied middle aged men, playing on their emotions and the fact they are unhappy with their life. The list goes on forever. Ad agencies are not made up of monkeys typing random ideas, they are made up of people who study human nature and know how to play on emotions, desires, fears, etc to get people to want the things they are selling.

The consumption of extreme mind altering substances has and is restricted to a select few groups - only now has their consumption increased dramatically but not enough to have the majority vote. You couldn't have nearly 7 billion people fucked out of the faces on lsd etc at the same time as society would cease to function - its bad enough on a Friday/Saturday night in any town with the drinkers.
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Is it up to you to decide who can or cannot have access to these things? If not, who? The priests like back in the day? Or the government? The point is these drugs are not just relatively unknown amongst the majority of people, they are criminal, you can be sent to real prison for a very long time. Again, free people do not need permission to consume mind altering substances. And saying "You couldn't have nearly 7 billion people..." is silly because 7 billion people wouldn't have the desire to do these things.

Alcohol, caffeine and nicotine all create dependency. The all fit well with the culture, they promote violence, sickness and excess pseudo-energy for work. They are favorites of the ruling class because they create chaos and therefore they are not only allowed, they are promoted.
 
Is your inner direction aligned with slavery and exploitation?
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I'd like to believe it is not, but I don't know myself enough to be absolutely sure. So I'm just 99.999% sure. :)
 
To clarify: I am 99% sure that my inner direction is aligned with God's will: to free humanity from the prison.

I saw two possible ways in which I could help in God's plan:

1. get out of current society and try to reach enlightenment on my own, then turn back to those in prison and free them with the knowledge and wisdom I gained

2. stay inside society, trying to do my part as well as I can, while staying focused on the vision (where this society could get if it were enlightened)

I think that both solutions are valid. I chose the second.
 
cellux said:
To clarify: I am 99% sure that my inner direction is aligned with God's will: to free humanity from the prison.

I saw two possible ways in which I could help in God's plan:

1. get out of current society and try to reach enlightenment on my own, then turn back to those in prison and free them with the knowledge and wisdom I gained

2. stay inside society, trying to do my part as well as I can, while staying focused on the vision (where this society could get if it were enlightened)

I think that both solutions are valid. I chose the second.
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Yes, if you feel that's what you need to do, then it's valid. But you see that the second solution requires you to avoid the traps of the system. So we are in agreement.
 
Researcher said:
cellux said:
Is your inner direction aligned with slavery and exploitation?
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I'd like to believe it is not, but I don't know myself enough to be absolutely sure. So I'm just 99.999% sure. :)
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If it's not then how can you just "go along" without either avoiding it or fighting it?
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Because personal responsability has to end somewhere?
Even the best doctor in the world cannot save every sick person.

Something can only be neglect, if you seriously DO have it in your power to change something.

If there was just a button you could push to end slavery, THAN it would be serious negligence if you didn't.
 
Swim did it for the first time, and wonders why the one who gave us life put us here. That world swim saw seem like it was a world of knowledge, and a big free for all. Swim came out praying, and wondering why swim had to serve time as a human with all these restraints.

At the same time swim realized everyone is here for a good reason, and that we have to earn the right to have unlimited knowledge. It was heaven.
 
observationtype said:
“You Create Your Own Reality” (YCYOR) is the predominant belief system of many New Agers. This doctrine states that reality is entirely the product of our minds, and that by controlling our beliefs, we may determine what happens to us: what events we focus upon, we attract; what we do not focus upon, we do not experience. Creating for oneself what one desires is called “manifesting”, and having all one needs in life is called “abundance.” For those who utilize YCYOR, manifesting abundance is usually a key goal. Do we create our own reality? Yes we do, but not as freely as proponents of YCYOR claim. As it exists, YCYOR is a faulty paradigm whose incomplete nature was made so by design. This belief system is a dangerous spiritual weapon used by negative forces to disarm their potential victims. People who seek the New Age as an alternative to atheism or Christianity are not improving their situations. They are merely falling for further deception, the same trick with a new look. Like gravity, such deceptions can be traps, or they can be used as slingshots to propel one further along if one is careful and learns from mistakes. (Source: Montalk website)
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Unnecessary...

The ideas of 'attraction'/'manifestaion' and other such drivvle are not what I'm talking about.

You have absolute freedom to believe/think what you like.

This affects how you perceive the life you live and the world you live in.

This creates what is called perceived reality within the mind of the individual.

If you change how you perceive the world then you will see it differently.

One way to change your perceptions is through the use of mind-altering substances.

Another way is to look at the evidence (taking notice of your ability to understand it and taking nothing for granted), and forming a balanced and objective judgement.

If you ask a Christian if Jesus is real the replies that you will hear are usually, "yes", or, "he's real to me".

Perceived reality is entirely personal. What you believe to be real may or may not be what someone else belives to be real.

Just because you think it, see it, and believe it...does not make something 'real' in reality...just in your mind.

"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it will it make a sound?"

The unknowable is always subject to opinion...simples.
 

EDIT INFO: 05.03.2010


Hello all,

I deleted all of my posts in this thread. It was solely my decision. The information I presented lacked clarity imo. Don't worry, in the future, I am going to make all posts (including my deleted posts) of this old thread available to anyone who wants to read them.

In the new thread, I am going to present my point of view with more clarity. It might be presented here in this thread or I will open another one. This new thread maybe located in the section "Philosophy/Spirituality/Science" or "First Questions for Information". Just search for my nickname "observationtype" or watch out for the topic headline "Is our reality a prison even after death?" or a similar topic headline.


Kind regards,

observationtype
 
Like a wise old man once said :
"Delete what you can " ;)

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Lookin forward to your upcoming threads !
 
I personally think that if you exist in any way shape or form its a gift and we should treasure every moment of existence. If you build up walls for yourself in the way that you perceive things only walls will be put in front of you in your journey. The word prison is quite a negative word, i tend to see life and existence as a chance to gain knowledge and to free yourself of your ego and your ignorance. Death for me is just another moment of transition and change into something new and different...


Much Peace and Happiness
 
Aegle said:
I personally think that if you exist in any way shape or form its a gift and we should treasure every moment of existence. If you build up walls for yourself in the way that you perceive things only walls will be put in front of you in your journey. The word prison is quite a negative word, i tend to see life and existence as a chance to gain knowledge and to free yourself of your ego and your ignorance. Death for me is just another moment of transition and change into something new and different...


Much Peace and Happiness
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The trojan horse was a gift.
It was a trap.
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You know what i mean when i say a gift, something that is sacred and precious. Life its definitely no Trojan Horse my friend... :b


Much Peace and Wonder
 
Forgot to say: Hopefully the ones who followed this old thread in the past are going to read the new one, because I am going to clarify many things. It is, of course, your choice.

I have to assemble some information first and that takes some time.

All the best!
 
please read this following post from the first person's perspective:-

in the beginning there was that which cannot be named , i'll call it nothing for better comprehension and i was this nothingness and i was dead , so i wanted to live and the only way was magic , with this magic i came to life and the big-bang happened splitting me in two , matter and space was born , positive and negetive the two primordial energies of me came into being , with this i grew and i grew to an unimaginable size
from one i became many and this process will continue , i have lived beyond time ,i have lived forever and i will live forever , parts of me will die and parts of me will come into being continuing this process throughout eternity , this is me dancing and this dance will go on forever , this reality is not a prison this reality is me i am the one who takes birth , i am the one who dies and i am the one who makes this cycle of life , i am forever
i am the light , i am the dark , i am that spark that lights it all i am the reason behind it all , i am the answer to my own question , reality is not a prison it is my imagination , i have done this all for me to live forever in eternity , taking a trillion forms and more i have found a way to live ,
i am that which ever was , ever is , and ever will be , there is no other , there is only me , no name can define what i am , i am you and i am me i am that which will ever be , no birth and no death to know me just observe this moment , i and you are the very same this illusion of many is just a game , its the cost of my magic for this is the way i can live forever , i have killed death and let life live and this is the way it all is ...............
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this is not me the human writng this here this is me a part of the universe writing what a part of the universe can say about its nature
 
Hello all!


Jin, imo your post is pure truth. Thanks!


We are all equal gods and we exist for infinity. "Exist for infinity" means we can never die. Never. Ever. We can never non-exist. After we die, we become sth. else.


Possible creations/possible worlds/possible video games/possible magic are limited and not infinite. However, the creation possibilities are huge.
Gods make creations. Consciousness manifests matter.


In oneness state, we realize to "exist for infinity" and to have "limited creation possibilities". This realization is meaningless/boring to stay in.


If you can read this now, you are infinite and this will never change.


The above is what I am sure of. The words I chose are one way to describe this truth. There are other more or less truthful ways to express things in language.


I also like this definition: Brahman - Wikipedia


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Is our reality a prison even after death?
-I don't know!


If our reality is a prison even after death, has your belief or your realization of what you really are any importance?
-I don't know! But...


...if it does, then it might help to realize the truth which I stated above the dotted line because that can free you from any (mental) prison we might find ourselves in.


In the light of what I stated above the dotted line, matrix agents, the prison, demons etc. all loose their power because they are just not true.
Maybe none of this exists anyway. Therefore you do not need to fear.


Your existence will always be infinite.


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What I posted here is basically what I plan to post in my new thread. Except of the post in this thread which will link to my new thread in the future, I do not post here anymore.
I am aware that I posted this information in the old thread already but it is still important and other theories which I presented deviated too much from
what you should really learn, I believe.


Observant, Aegle, Jin, ۩, sunshineandsmiles, etc. thanks for your posts!


I am quite busy right now and also need to research on what entails our current reality location. This can take time but stay tuned if you want. :)



Best wishes!


Edit info 21.04.2010: Meanwhile, I believe that we are in Samsara. Please see below.
 
Hello,


to read this post is solely your decision and what you believe or not believe is up to you. Having said that you are very welcome to read this.


I plan to present the new thread at the end of this month April. I contemplated a lot about this topic and it becomes much more clear to me now.



The new thread will likely cover the following points but maybe not all of them:



-an apology for providing inaccurate information and for pointing out the negative side of things. Currently I reread the old thread and look for content which I believe
to be unnecessary. Much of the unnecessary ramblings I mentioned reflect an ego state I was in. From my threads, just take what helps you and leave the rest.

-why thoughts on this topic only get you so far and experience is required.

-reincarnation, "dependent arising", volitional impulses
wikipedia dependent arising

-Samsara

-Bhagavad Gita

-Sri Ramakrishna, Sri Ramana Maharshi, self-enquiry

-hinduism, buddhism, Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path, die to self (the Gospel)

-tibetan book of the dead

-karma, ego, collective ego, desire, wishes, self-expression

-religions, beliefs

-virtual reality, maya, illusion, consciousness at play, subjective and objective reality, reality tunnel

-prison, school

-why suicide likely keeps someone in the reincarnation cycle

-oneness, the veil

-Ken Wilber

-freewill, control, coercion and persuasion

-DMT and spirituality

-self-realization, some practical information on how to achieve self-realization: self-enquiry wikipedia self-enquiry

-the absolute, higher soul, false gods

-conspiracy theories

-matrix agents/spiritless humans. I do not believe in their existence anymore. I provide an explanation why I believed in their existence plus
why this belief is dangerous and unimportant.





I still believe that our reality is indeed what can be termed a "prison". Imo it is a prison of the mind. "A place where a spirit can get stuck" is maybe more
accurate than terming this place a "prison". Some see it as a "school". I do not. The ego, the self-expression of consciousness, keeps a spirit conditioned
lifetime after lifetime until a spirit extricates itself through spiritual practices (meditation etc.) which finally lead to self-realization and liberation.




The post prior to this one is true, I believe, but most minds (including myself) are likely not there yet. I have only seen part of the light. Imo reality is a prison
for the ones asleep and attached to it and it isn't one for the ones who have fully realized themselves and completely relinquished their desires.




Seeking and experiencing self-realization is a beautiful thing. Nothing to be afraid of. You can experience heaven on earth.
 
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