Is safrole psychedelic?

[hummus]

r0m; I wasn't measuring in drops, just measuring in full 00 capsules; one capsule is 0.82-0.92ml of fluid according to manufacturers charts, I wasn't quite filling them so I'd say it's about 0.7ml in each of them. I'm not really sure how much each drop weighs/takes up in volume, if you want I can try filling up a capsule and counting the drops.

 

[hummus]

Just tried filling one up and it took 19 drops to fill it to the brim, 1 or 2 might've been spilled so I'll say start off with 15 drops, the highest dose I've taken would be 70.

 

[69ron]

I'd be interested to try elemi oil though, with the positive ratings compared to nutmeg oil it should be interesting to see how well it works.

I'm very curious. I have not seen a good comparison of Elemi oil versus Nutmeg oil.

Would you say nutmeg oil is any better than the powder or whole nutmeg? Does it feel less toxic?

Mace oil also works nicely, it's a bit more potent and 'smoother' in it's effects, I'd estimate that it's no more than 2X the potency.

Would you say you prefer Mace oil over Nutmeg oil?

 

[69ron]

You guys might want to look at this about Parsley seed oil:

The Good Scents Company - Typical G.C. analysis Catalog information

Typical G.C. analysis Catalog of information

www.thegoodscentscompany.com

That page gives the content of Parsley seed oil. It lists the following psychoactive compounds:

47.54% myristicin.
2.64% elemicin
0.19% alpha-thujene

That's a lot of myristicin. It's the main constituent of the oil. That's in contrast to Nutmeg oil, where camphene is usually the main constituent. Unfortunately it also contains a little alpha-thujene.


Also this about Elemi oil:

The Good Scents Company - Typical G.C. analysis Catalog information

Typical G.C. analysis Catalog of information

www.thegoodscentscompany.com

It gives the elemicin content of Elemi oil as being 10%.


Also this about Nutmeg oil:

The Good Scents Company - Typical G.C. analysis Catalog information

Typical G.C. analysis Catalog of information

www.thegoodscentscompany.com

They found the following psychoactive compounds and I noticed they didn’t mention elemicin or safrole. I’m not sure if they were absent or just not tested for.

9.43% myristicin
1.16% alpha-thujene

On the following page its gives content for CO2 extract nutmeg oil:

The Good Scents Company - Typical G.C. analysis Catalog information

Typical G.C. analysis Catalog of information

www.thegoodscentscompany.com

3.10% elemicin
1.30% myristicin
0.10% safrole
1.10% alpha- thujene

Notice the here that elemicin is the main psychoactive present.


For mace oil see:

The Good Scents Company - Typical G.C. analysis Catalog information

Typical G.C. analysis Catalog of information

www.thegoodscentscompany.com

It gives the following:

3.14% elemicin
5.92% myristicin
0.67% safrole + para-cymen-8-ol



From this data is looks like Parsley seed oil is the best source for myristicin. Has anyone ever used Parsley seed oil for its myristicin content?

 

[g13juggalo]

Hey, Ron, has all you oil been from the same company, or have you been changing it up?
And is anyone else having as consistent success with it as Ron?

How likely is it my healthfood store would have it? I keep considering going, but decide against it, because I'm lazy and aren't sure if they'd have it.

 

[69ron]

Hey, Ron, has all you oil been from the same company, or have you been changing it up?

It’s been all from the same single 10 ml bottle of oil. When SWIM runs out he’ll buy another 10 ml bottle from a different brand and see if there’s much difference.

How likely is it my healthfood store would have it? I keep considering going, but decide against it, because I'm lazy and aren't sure if they'd have it.

Most of the local health food stores where I live have it. A large one with a good selection of oil should have it. They usually have 10 ml bottles of it. A place specializing in oils is your best bet.

 

[Dorge]

There is some question as to whether alcohol buffers the effects... SWIM has noticed this.

What do you mean exactly, in which way does it buffer the effects?

taken with alcohol has dramatically reduced effects in all that have taken it. the less alcohol ingested or no alcohol at all=increased effect.

 

[g13juggalo]

Ahh. Alright.
Thanks.
And wow, that lasted you a while.

What places other than health food stores may have it? There's only 1 around here, and no where for essential oils specifically.

Edit: Only health food chain around here doesn't have it. =[
Any ideas where else I could find it? Should I check larger stores like target/walmart/ect?

 

[Ginkgo]

You can buy it online. FV stores elemi oil, but it is very expensive compared to other internet sources. This one for example is several times cheaper, and also therapeutic grade. I have some from this supplier on the way to me, I can write a few words on the effects when it reaches me.

 

[69ron]

Evening Glory, the problem with that store you mentioned is that while the price is decent, shipping is on the high side and you have to buy $10 or more (not including shipping) worth of items or they won't sell to you. The smallest batch of Elemi oil they have is 1/2 oz, and you can't just buy that because it doesn't come to their minimum purchase price.

FV stores elemi oil

Since you mentioned FV, I checked them out, they do apparently carry it now along with many other oils (nutmeg, lavender, tea tree, orange oil, etc.). That's new.

it is very expensive compared to other internet sources

The price of their Elemi oil is about the same as the one you mentioned above, considering the shipping cost. It's cheaper than my local source. But once you add shipping to FV or the other place you mention, the price is about the same.

When SWIM runs out of his 10 ml bottle, he'll order some from FV and test it out. He still has a lot left though. 10 ml lasts a long time.

 

[Jammr]

So, finally got a chance to start testing this. Took 8 drops diluted with two tsps of honey-bear honey 1hr 15mins ago, roughly 30 minutes after breakfast. No effects yet. Had an espresso 10 minutes ago. Tasted like limonene with a dash of dill.

 

[Jammr]

T+2hrs, something a hair above threshold is kicking in now, slight euphoria and color enhancement. Still "burping up" the elemi oil taste.

 

[69ron]

T+2hrs, something a hair above threshold is kicking in now, slight euphoria and color enhancement. Still "burping up" the elemi oil taste.

If you eat something heavy like bread right after having the oil it can help you digest it better so you don't burp it up like that. That's what SWIM usually does.

So you have euphoria and color enhancement. How would you describe it? Is it like LSD or mescaline to you, or something totally different?

 

[Jammr]

T+2hrs, something a hair above threshold is kicking in now, slight euphoria and color enhancement. Still "burping up" the elemi oil taste.

If you eat something heavy like bread right after having the oil it can help you digest it better so you don't burp it up like that. That's what SWIM usually does.

So you have euphoria and color enhancement. How would you describe it? Is it like LSD or mescaline to you, or something totally different?

Hard to say, it's barely beyond threshold so far. But I'm only t+2:30. It's got a nice amphetaminic effect (could be synergy with the strong espresso) with mild euphoria and color enhancement. Feels more like a very low dose of mescaline than lsd. Music sounds more "open" than usual too.

 

[jaguar]

Yesterday SWIM made another test. Curious after he read about the harmaline combo he took 50 mg harmaline in a gel capsule (he can no longer stand the bitter taste of harmala alkaloids). About 30 min later he took 15 drops of elemi oil in cocoa. He likes the taste of that very much.

The effects kicked in about 45-60 min later. There were "sparkling light" effects. Very noticeable when looking at the computer screen. And there was a sedation. After SWIM laid down on his couch he easily drifted away into small dream fragments but strangely they seemed to be without pictures. Then he noticed strong aphrodisiac effects when he set his mind to sexual thoughts.

When he went to bed several hours later he again took 6 drops of elemi oil to see whether this had some effect on his dreams: He got the impression that dream recall was worse than normal, no enhancing effect noticed.

Side effects: In the morning he noticed a tendency towards muscle cramps after awakening. This seems to be a consistent side effect for SWIM after taking elemi oil. Last time he experienced a bad cramp in his calf in the morning also. This time he could just stop it before it almost happened.

Conclusion: In SWIMs opinion he only got very light effects. The aphrodisiac qualities could also have been caused by the harmaline (it was FVs harmaline and AFAIK this is extracted from peganum harmala which is an aphrodisiac for SWIM). Because of the negative side effects SWIM told me that he thinks the positive effects were not worth the effort.

It seems to me that Rons SWIHim uses elemi oil that is very rich in elemicin probably. Comparing it to other vendors oils would in fact be interesting.

 

[69ron]

Muscle cramping is definitely not a pleasant effect. Fortunately SWIM has not experienced anything like that.

Do you also get cramps from HBWR or other LSA containing seeds? I know some people do report that. Some people also get that from Yopo/Vilca.

Do you think the harmaline increased the cramping?

 

[rOm]

SWIM tried again elemi 10 to 12 drops of elemi oil and got no much effects. actually a the end of the day he drunk two shots of ice cold vodka with lemon juice drops.
It the time of the days where he felt most of the psychoactive effects.

He's unsure whether it could work or not. we say there is no tolerance between elemi and mescaline ?
Cause he took 100mg of mesc acetate the day before.

 

[69ron]

He's unsure whether it could work or not. we say there is no tolerance between elemi and mescaline ?
Cause he took 100mg of mesc acetate the day before.

I don't know. Animal tests say there is no cross tolerance between Elemi oil and mescaline, but there are no official human tests that I know of. SWIM has yet to test out cross tolerance between the two. He has both Elemi oil and mescaline, so he will eventually test that. Despite the animal tests, I think it's likely that mescaline will produce tolerance with Elemi oil. The effects are just too similar.

 

[jaguar]

Do you also get cramps from HBWR or other LSA containing seeds? I know some people do report that. Some people also get that from Yopo/Vilca.

Do you think the harmaline increased the cramping?

SWIM got some cramps from psilocybe mushrooms in the past while they were active. With elemi oil this starts later (after the night in the morning). So maybe this can be counteracted by taking some Mg before bed or drinking more water.

He does not think that harmaline increased the cramping - last time there was no harmaline involved. SWIM has no experience with LSA (yet).

 

[69ron]

SWIM got some cramps from psilocybe mushrooms in the past while they were active. With elemi oil this starts later (after the night in the morning). So maybe this can be counteracted by taking some Mg before bed or drinking more water.

That’s interesting.

I think it’s related to vasoconstriction, but I’m not really sure. Psilocybin causes some vasoconstriction. LSA causes a lot of vasoconstriction, and so does bufotenine, and both cause cramps in some people. Elemicin might also cause some vasoconstriction. SWIM drinks a lot of coffee and that would counteract it though.

You might try something with a lot of niacin (vitamin B3). That will completely stop the cramps if they are related to vasoconstriction.

Also harmaline would probably help stop the cramps if they are related to vasoconstriction.

I think either you have a not so good batch of Elemi oil, or you’re sensitive to elemicin in a bad way. You might want to try a different brand.

I would NOT take a higher dose until you either find a brand that doesn’t cause cramping, or you find a solution to the cramps.

The fact that they happen the following day is very strange. I wonder what could be the cause of that.