endlessness said:
69ron said:
You guys believe what you like. 5-MeO-DMT is in nearly all the chaliponga and all the Virola theiodora resin SWIM has used. SWIM can extract it and verify it himself. If you guys can’t or these so called “experts” can’t, well that’s too bad. You're doing something wrong.
It's definitely there. It's as sure as the sun in the sky to SWIM. It's amazing that there is such skepticism out there.
Since SWIM cannot send you his chaliponga or Virola theiodora resin for you to personally test to verify SWIM’s statements are in fact correct, there is no point in arguing about this. We will go back and forth on it endlessly with no resolution to the argument.
So you are really amazed that we are skeptic, and that we dont take someone's subjective experience on the internet as Truth? Youre saying it would be more reasonable if we would say "Oh yeah ok ron says there's 5-meo-dmt in chaliponga and even though there isnt even ONE scientific paper presented so far corroborating with his claim, 69ron MUST be right, so its a fact" ?
HA HA HA HA! That’s hilarious.
I don’t expect you or anyone else to believe anything I write is 100% fact. Like I said, SWIM can find it. Believe it or not. You can believe SWIM is crazy if you like. That’s fine with me. But SWIM knows it’s there for absolute certainty.
endlessness said:
I would hope you expect more critical thinking from people in this community.....
You’re getting me all wrong here. I don’t expect anything less. The Nexus is filled with some very highly intelligent people. I just don’t really want to argue about this. 5-MeO-DMT is definitely in chaliponga and Virola resin. As for Virola resin, there are many papers that prove this. The fact that some papers failed to find it in chaliponga doesn’t mean its not there. I’m sure many just didn’t look for it in chaliponga because they were looking for DMT only, so they didn’t list it as being present.
If I study the universe and I’m not interested in Earth and I don’t put data on Earth in my findings, that doesn’t mean Earth isn’t there. You have to be careful about reading these studies.
A lack of a finding can mean:
A ) they didn’t look for the item (this is pretty common).
B ) flaws in their equipment or methods used made it impossible to find the item.
C ) they found it but didn’t take note of it (this is pretty common).
D ) they had misidentified material (this happens quite a lot).
E ) the plant material was too old (5-MeO-DMT degrades pretty fast. In Virola theiordora resin that isn't properly treated, enzymes present in the resin completely destroy the 5-MeO-DMT within a few hours.)
F ) it wasn’t there in the plant material.
The fact that SWIM can find it in chaliponga means to me that a lot of those tests had condition A, B, C, D, or E in there tests, and not F.
endlessness said:
by the way, even if I extracted chaliponga and tried bioassaying the results, and even if it subjectively seemed similar to pure 5-meo-dmt, how would I be sure its 5-meo-dmt and not a mix of other alkaloids or self suggestion or all those other variables I mentioned in the last post? Maybe it can be taken as a good indication, but its no unquestionable evidence.
You can be pretty damn sure it’s 5-MeO-DMT if:
A ) the melting point is that of 5-MeO-DMT.
B ) it’s active sublingually, orally, and by vaporization in the dose range of 5-MeO-DMT.
C ) It tastes and smells like 5-MeO-DMT.
D ) It’s duration of effects matches 5-MeO-DMT.
E ) It’s effects profile match that of 5-MeO-DMT.
F ) You have it tested professionally.
If all but F match exactly, the likelihood that you have 5-MeO-DMT is still extremely high.
SWIM has never ever experienced two different psychedelic compounds that have exactly the same effects and match from A-E exactly. So for SWIM, if A-E match 5-MeO-DMT exactly, he’s absolutely sure it’s 5-MeO-DMT, and he doesn’t need F to verify it.
If you need F that's fine for you. SWIM doesn’t. It’s like asking someone to verify that the ball of fire I see in the sky is the sun and not a meteor. Sure both make light but the sun is not a meteor. I don’t need confirmation of that from some study taken.
Being skeptical is a good thing. My skepticism is aimed at those tests that failed to find it present in chaliponga. The likelihood of that is astronomical when A-E match exactly.