Hi 69ron
69ron said:
Alright all of you skeptics out there, here you go, PROOF that there is 5-MeO-DMT in this plant.
The following researches published finding 5-MeO-DMT in Diplopterys cabrerana:
5-MeO-DMT, DMT - Gates
5-MeO-DMT, DMT, Bufotenine - C. Raetsch 2005
5-MeO-DMT, DMT, Bufotenine, NMT, N-Methyltetrahydro-b-carbonline - Argurell et al. 1968
5-MeO-DMT, DMT, N-Methyltetrahydro-b-carbonline - Pinkley 1973
Now we might be getting somewhere, when at least you try to present verifiable sources. This a good step towards a nice rational argument!
However I ask you to clarify your sources. You obviously got your data form Ratsch who is not a biochemist nor ever done any lab work. He did an amzing job collecting other people's references, though. So your mention of
Ratsch 2005 is basically void of new content.
The Gates source is difficult to verify as you did not even present a publishing year. However I just tracked tha that it is possibly :
Gates, Bronwen (1982) "Banisteriopsis, Diplopterys (Malpighiaceae)." Flora Neotropica Monographs. Number 30. The New York Botanical Garden. ISBN 0-89327-238-8
[you have been checking the erowid link I provided in a previous post! Great!
The Argurell 1973 is probably a misprint or misquote. The sole reference I could find to that work is
Argurell, S., et al. 1973. Quantitation of THC in Plasma from Cannabis Smokers. J. Pharmaceut. Pharmacol. 25:554-558.
For which I could not track an online version, but I think it is quite far fetched for such a title to find any reference to chaliponga alkaloids
According to the same erowid page by the Keepers of the Trout, it is probably this that you are refering
Agurell, S. et al. (1968 ) American Journal of Pharmacy 140: 148-151. "Alkaloid Content of Banisteriopsis Rusbyana." [Stig Agurell, Bo Holmstedt & Jan-Erik Lindgren]
This author found only
traces of MMT, Bufotenine beta-carbolines and 5-MeO-DMT in the leaves. This proves that if 5-Meo-DMT is there it can be detected and measured, even in minuscule amounts
The
Pinkley 1973 is quoted by Ratsch (as I mentioned previously) However, Ratsch did not provide a reference title, which I presume is this:
http://en.scientificcommons.org/6088712 This one I do not have access to it and simply cannot check it. However, even Ratsch is pretty specific mentioning that this study found traces of 5-Meo-DMT in the stems
So, your list basicalyy boils down to nothing.
Listen ron, I'm not on personal crusade against you or your ideas. I'm a scientist (really!).In my line of work, for any assertion to be made it must be verifiable - that's the whole basis of science! If you can provide a verifiable source of 5-MeO-DMT in chaliponga or make a full test publishing here your results that would be great and everyone would benefit. Unfortunately someone must provide a positive proof. It is not possible to prove a negative, this means that no one can prove that there is no 5-MeO-DMT in Chaliponga! However we can prove at least in some batches, this alkaloid is present. It just takes one essay to prove that! So it's in your hands!
My own bioassays with chaliponga were similar to the described above in this thread, so I would not rule out definitely that there is no 5-MeO-DMT in the plant, but my scientific mind doubts my subjective impressions and requires a more formal proof, for which so far we have none.