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Is there place for shrooms after DMT?

windyshaman

windyshaman

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Just curious... These who "graduated" from shrooms to DMT - do you ever go back?

If anything - DMT made me more disciplined and - currently - I even gave up on microdosing. Just had to get my head cleared.
I've got a stash of really good, dried specimens just sitting there and I have zero willingness to go for any of it. Definitely missing the music listening aspect of shrooms tripping. Don't miss the length of these trips (when compared to DMT) - nor the "bad tripping" side of it.

What's your experience like?
 
DMT was my first psychedelic besides weed. A friend offered me shrooms or I maybe wouldn't have tried them. I don't really care for them. I'd do acid before shrooms any day. They seem similar but acid is a much cleaner experience IMO, and easier to microdose maybe. I've worked on acid, physical work but it was like dancing. I was in a flow state and everything I'd normally be doing was done with rhythmic precision. I think ayahuasca is similar to shrooms too, but again better in my opinion.
 
Depends on the shrooms, they really aren't all the same, as debated quite recently:

Reflections on P. cubensis and other species

Hi All, I would be interested in hearing the views of other psilonauts here on the Nexus who have experience with P. cubensis and other species how they feel about the differences in effects profile sometimes attributed to different species of mushroom. Have you noticed consistent differences in...
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Transform said:
Depends on the shrooms, they really aren't all the same, as debated quite recently:

Reflections on P. cubensis and other species

Hi All, I would be interested in hearing the views of other psilonauts here on the Nexus who have experience with P. cubensis and other species how they feel about the differences in effects profile sometimes attributed to different species of mushroom. Have you noticed consistent differences in...
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Oh my - I could go for a really long rant sharing my experience with different strands and particular properties of some...
 
I think it depends on what you like. What provides you more enjoyment and self-perceived value? Reflect on that and seriously. Just don't get too excited and go Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance on us.

Is there a place for gin after cognac? Is there a place for water skiing after surfing?

DMT may seem like one of the final bosses when it comes to psychedelics, however it's just another psychedelic. No prizes are offered or won for taking DMT or thinking it's the bee's knees. I personally think DMT is right up there as maybe the greatest darn thing I've ever come across in this life. The supreme easter egg of unrivaled silliness, love, belonging, and warmth. Mushrooms are too serious and somber in comparison when I take them at any dosage. DMT for me please and thank you.
 
Vaporized DMT and mushrooms are quite different, so yes, there's place for both depending on what you want a psychedelic for. In fact, if I had to choose right now, I'd choose mushrooms, as they provide a slower-paced and much more introspective experience, at least for me. My sweet spot is huasca-type brews, but that is not some universal superiority, it's just they work better for me and what I'm looking for right now.

In general, nothing is just "better" in the abstract, things are better for something or in a given context.
 
windyshaman said:
Just curious... These who "graduated" from shrooms to DMT - do you ever go back?

If anything - DMT made me more disciplined and - currently - I even gave up on microdosing. Just had to get my head cleared.
I've got a stash of really good, dried specimens just sitting there and I have zero willingness to go for any of it. Definitely missing the music listening aspect of shrooms tripping. Don't miss the length of these trips (when compared to DMT) - nor the "bad tripping" side of it.

What's your experience like?
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Voidmatrix said:
Every medicine has it's place. They're tools. Pick the right one for the right job. Don't just grab a hammer and think you won't need any other tool now 😉

One love
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Windy, I am in the same headspace as you finding Dmt after Psilo regardless of strain. I as many here view these as medicine and in that vein I will say that I have no current or projected need for Psilo even as a microdose.
As for the "Bad Trip" I have had very difficult in fact maybe the most difficult times using Maoi and Caapi on board prior to DMT.
Thats what I am looking for though.🤞
 
I love DMT to death but I will go out on a limb here..

Psilocybin goes deeper…it’s richer…more visionary…more colourful…more euphoric…more spiritual…more animated.

The main draw of DMT for myself has been how close to psilocybin/psilocin it is to the point of being almost identical, combined with the brevity…

Psilocybin just feels like it reaches that extra little bit deeper inside of me.

So no, I do not ever feel done with mushrooms. If I had to have one it would be them.
 
For the people going deep with shrooms - what is your setting like for that?

I feel like shrooms have a different culture about their use. People approach DMT with respect and tend to treat it more seriously, at least before casual vapes became popular. Most of my shroom trips have been social, during parties or small gatherings. I've had some pretty rough experiences that probably wouldn't have happened if I had treated it more like DMT and isolated myself.

On one trip my childhood friend had like, a psychotic episode he got into some primitive macho gorilla mode and ultra paranoid that I was trying to take his girl, who was tripping with us. It peaked on the sidewalk in the middle of public and I had to calm him down and get him back to a safe space, all while I was tripping and his girlfriend just ditched us and broke up with him hours later.

Another time a few of us took harmalas before shrooms and the potentiation was way too much. I think I only took a gram, cuz my normal dose was 2g. But I blacked out while looking in the mirror in the bathroom, and walked out of the bathroom naked and wandered around the party until a friend ushered me to my room. The rest of the trip was just hours of confusing thought loops and piecing together what had happened. The others had uniquely intense experiences that they also didn't want to repeat.

A local teen was shot dead by police for acting strange and running. Was later determined he was on shrooms. I was growing and distributing them at the time and became overwhelmed with dread that someone could have lost their life while in a very confused and excitable state.

I have had a few cool, fun, psychedelic trips with it, but it seems like 50% of the time I feel general discombobulation, but not on pharmahuasca or lsd.
 
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Psilocybin goes deeper…it’s richer…more visionary…more colourful…more euphoric…more spiritual…more animated.
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It's so fascinating how our individual experiences with these two brotherly molecules can contrast one another. I feel many of those same things except in regard to DMT. I've done low dose psilo, high dose psilo, low dose psilohuasca, and high dose psilohuasca. I can't get that molecule to be as colorful as DMT no matter what I do. And while high dose psilohuasca has given me extremely deep visions, they're always moving slowly and any message is left up to interpretation. My DMT visions seem to "pop" more and the trips are louder with their messages; there never seems to be a doubt about what the lesson is. Lastly, DMT's playfulness is something I've only been able to temper with the addition of harmalas, while it's virtually a given that my mushroom trips will take on a somber tone.

I wish I could enjoy mushrooms more. At this point it's like they're being mean to me and I need to set up a support group, for myself and other crybabies who get mercilessly mocked by mycelial fruits.
 
DMT is the serious one and mushrooms the playful one for me.

I feel these two things open you to different universes, even though they may appear very similar superficially, like visually. Mushrooms are more about Gaia, and DMT more about the cosmic plane for me. I am in love with liberty caps, but DMT plants are my primary medicine. İt's just a matter of personal resonance and nothing superior experientially.

However, practically, DMT having no tolerance and also being much more abundantly and consistently found in nature is superior imo.

And one more thing. Ime, mushrooms with rue is a bit hard on the nervous system, and doesn't feel as natural on the nervous system as rue and DMT plants do. For huasca, mushrooms are uniquely amazing but not meant to be ingested as often as huasca with DMT, IMHO.
 
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Graduation? I didn't even get a cap and gown :(

Lots of different ways to use these tools and plenty of individual differences of course. I mainly use mushrooms or LSD as a platform for DMT. I prefer LSD, as it feels more coherent, functional and less nauseating. Though it did take longer to get my sea legs compared to mushrooms, and is a bit too stimulating sometimes. I still love mushrooms and still use them in low doses, it's especially nice being able to sleep shortly after. But I do find it to be less focused than the LSDMT combo
 
I feel like saying "graduate" in any capacity relative to psychedelics creates a needless hierarchy that detracts, distracts, and detours us collectively from what's really important...

Want more from a given substance, take more. Psilocybin is physically pretty safe... physically... 5 hours on any potent strain at a large enough dose relative to a given individual that responds to psilocybin, anyone can go the distance and get rocked.

I've had entities manifest before me, eyes open, on mushrooms alone. Okay, there was some cannabis. It's always a copilot.

They can both be fun. They can both rock me. Depends on their moods 🤣.

However, for me, they're not mutually exclusive. If I'm on mushrooms, especially alone in my room, you can bet your ass the changa bowl is packed and nearby.

One love
 
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If I'm on mushrooms, especially alone in my room, you can bet your ass the changa bowl is packed and nearby.
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Years ago, there was an interesting guy on the Shroomery forum who went by Chinacat - him and a guy who went by whiterasta (who was also on the old Ayahuasca forum) were central to an epic thread on there about “thumbprint” doses of LSD, particularly in the context of the inner (distribution) network of the Grateful Dead community. Aside from reporting permanent visual effects from the thumbprint doses, I remember Chinacat saying that in lieu of extreme doses of LSD, his go to, at the time, was a combination of psilocybin and DMT.
 
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windyshaman said:
Just curious... These who "graduated" from shrooms to DMT - do you ever go back?
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In my case, I ran away from mushrooms around 2013 and started to cook my brews. They were about to straighten me out, but who wants to be a functional, sane human being? Long story short, after more than 10 years of rue brews and some aya, my plan is to go back to mushrooms. I agree with @Jamie01.
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Psilocybin goes deeper…it’s richer…more visionary…more colourful…more euphoric…more spiritual…more animated.
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I would add that mushrooms feel more organic. All the teas or extractions are in the realm of alchemy. I long to reconnect to Gaia in the most simple way.
Stuff that scared me away from mushrooms back in the day just looks childish at this point. I even noticed that I conduct my ceremonies in a mushroom-like style (once every two weeks and never any consecutive ones). So, that's going to be a full circle for me. We'll see if I ever graduate from them.
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