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Is there place for shrooms after DMT?

windyshaman said:
Very interesting - where this thread got steered.

Sorry - missed out on most replies as I was traveling for work.

Very grateful to all these who shared their thoughts.

Oddly enough - after my last reply - I dreamed the whole night about having a shrooms trip. Well - I figured - if there's a calling - it needs to be answered and since I was heading out for a little work voyage the next day anyhow - I brought along a couple grams of the ABE variety. Long story short - the damn thing didn't work! :ROFLMAO: My stash is getting old probably and loosing potency. Damn psychedelics!!!! :ROFLMAO:
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Well, that's easier than the other way that mushrooms might tell you to get screwed, I suppose!
 
windyshaman said:
Very interesting - where this thread got steered.

Sorry - missed out on most replies as I was traveling for work.

Very grateful to all these who shared their thoughts.

Oddly enough - after my last reply - I dreamed the whole night about having a shrooms trip. Well - I figured - if there's a calling - it needs to be answered and since I was heading out for a little work voyage the next day anyhow - I brought along a couple grams of the ABE variety. Long story short - the damn thing didn't work! :ROFLMAO: My stash is getting old probably and loosing potency. Damn psychedelics!!!! :ROFLMAO:
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Is there a place for 4-Aco-DMT after DMT?
Stores easier and for longer than psilocybin and is metabolized into psilocin also so another option.
 
I am currently starting a new harvest of mushrooms because I want to microdose. It will be much less expensive in the long run to do it this way.

As much as I adore DMT now... I still think there is a place for mushrooms. Sometimes you just wanna mellow out Vs go to the moon.
 
To me, psilo is not just 1 thing. There are so many different strains, even within the cube universe. Each strain is like variety of magical experience. Some are more body buzz based, some more visual, some more energizing, some better for micro-dosing.

set setting strain + dose determines difference.

= lots to explore.

Not to mention the blob mutations that innovative cultivators are coming up with, that have never before existed on the planet.

Give me the psilo any day, low dose with some Lion's Maine, healed my nervous system. I take a gram with some cannabis oil in the sunny forest to process all the emotional psychodrama and get a new lease on life.

So far, it has been panaceamazing
 
windyshaman said:
For myself, the biggest drawback of shrooms vs DMT is the actual trip's length. 3-6hrs vs 10-20mins - we're talking. And from what i'm reading - psilohuasca is stretching that 3-6hrs even further?
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Psilohuasca should be similar to oral DMT, and it strongly depends on the amount of harmalas in the mix. A fine ayahuasca journey could push even over 12 hours if you dose it right.
 
windyshaman said:
For myself, the biggest drawback of shrooms vs DMT is the actual trip's length. 3-6hrs vs 10-20mins - we're talking. And from what i'm reading - psilohuasca is stretching that 3-6hrs even further?
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In my experience psilohuasca experience lasts as long as a plain mushroom trip, with MAOI effect of harmala vastly decreasing the amount of psilocin destroyed by MAO, and the undercurrent of harmala enhancing the head space / emotional (harmalas help ❤️😃❤️:p) . So a much stronger trip for the dose + harmala feelings but duration roughly = mushrooms alone. I think of it as a 6 - 8 hour deal with a peak in the early middle.
northape said:
Psilohuasca should be similar to oral DMT, and it strongly depends on the amount of harmalas in the mix. A fine ayahuasca journey could push even over 12 hours if you dose it right.
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Yes ! I also like that harmala seems to help allow rest and sleep at the end. All in all I don't myself meeting those two separately if i can help it 😃
 
At least in my experience, psilocybin is more insightful. DMT is more "wow, this is cool" and shrooms are more "wow there's all this meaning". At especially high doses though, shrooms feel very similar. However there is still unique value in prolonging the experience. More time to sit in it and have your thoughts evolve. I'd guess also better anti-depressant properties from psilocybin.
 
I'm currently doing pharmahuasca with a touch of mushroom chocolate, and it is working out. I have way more dmt than I have mushrooms, but am finding benefit in using dmt as 95% of the tryptamine dose with a smidgen of mushrooms, and am finding it to work for me efficiently. After being down and feeling hurt and depressed it put me down and helped it come to a head, then the fever broke and I am glowing up.
 
Actually - I sorta had last evening to myself and figured to have a light shrooms session.

Sadly - my stash of Amazonian Albino-s - did in fact loose it's potency. 1.5g didn't feel like much, not even a spark of CEV. Had a pretty gloomy comedown however - and a terrible sleep. No regrets though - it was quite nice to feel that earthy buzz again. Still have some APE and Lucid gates left - will try these next time.
 
I recently tried Rue and psilocybin together for the first time. IME there seems to be a notable synergy there (more so than harmalas and mushrooms), along with some potentiation. The combination felt like a shroomy version of LSD, in the sense of feeling more clear and elevating than how I tend to experience mushrooms, alone. I definitely plan to experiment further with this combination, while doing so incrementally, as it’s easy to imagine it getting overly intense at a higher dose range.
 
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northape said:
Psilohuasca should be similar to oral DMT, and it strongly depends on the amount of harmalas in the mix. A fine ayahuasca journey could push even over 12 hours if you dose it right.
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My ayahuasca trips have been getting shorter and shorter and I'm not sure why outside of switching from harmaline fb to Syrian rue or full spectrum rue extract.

I don't always remember them being so short. I did a mushroom tea journey last week, and the longer duration of that made me realize something is a bit off with the duration of my oral DMT journeys.

Any tricks for getting it to last longer than 2-3 hours ? It's intense for an hour, mild for the next hour and nearly nonexistent after that.
 
frequencyelevation said:
My ayahuasca trips have been getting shorter and shorter and I'm not sure why outside of switching from harmaline fb to Syrian rue or full spectrum rue extract.

I don't always remember them being so short. I did a mushroom tea journey last week, and the longer duration of that made me realize something is a bit off with the duration of my oral DMT journeys.

Any tricks for getting it to last longer than 2-3 hours ? It's intense for an hour, mild for the next hour and nearly nonexistent after that.
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To me they last mostly around that if they're pharma. Something you can do is redose DMT (with harmalas too if you want) when the first dose is coming down. The second dose will be notably stronger, so adjust dosage accordingly if you do it.
 
I agree with the others; that's mostly a harmala issue. You can easily get a 12h session with sufficient harmalas and redosing.
My normal oral journey is around 8 hours, and I redose once a few hours into the experience.
 
universecannon said:
Your mileage may vary but I found the mushroom + harmala combo kind of decoherent at solid dosages. I preferred to just smoke changa or DMT on mushrooms if anything
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Yea I prefer also to take mushrooms without harmalas at this point. I might even say it’s brighter…I feel this applies to DMT as well and haven’t made changa in years.
 
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