'it finds you' vs 'sharing is caring'

[Jamie01]

DMT is a consumer product at this point. It’s not much harder to acquire than LSD or mushrooms etc around here. The idea that it’s only going to find the right people is naive. It’s out there and it’s fairly mainstream. Lots of idiots get ahold of it. It’s really not some metaphysical thing anymore DMT pens are consumer products regardless of how any of us feel about it.

 

[Jamie01]

Also forgot to mention that I have been told first hand from a local vendor that mimosa in Mexico has pretty much been taken over by the cartels and it’s partly why you just can’t have it in Canada any longer..I have no idea if that’s true but trust me DMT pens are all around with these flashy packages.

I think these days there’s a huge insensitive to market the stuff. Keeping it to yourself has nothing to do with something as silly as who is too weak etc.

I don’t tell random people I don’t know where the best local waves are either, because if they can’t put in the time to figure it out I’d probly rather not surf with them anyway. They can go bob around easy spots with learners until they can read a map and find they’re own way.

 

[northape]

DMT is a consumer product at this point. It’s not much harder to acquire than LSD or mushrooms etc around here. The idea that it’s only going to find the right people is naive. It’s out there and it’s fairly mainstream. Lots of idiots get ahold of it. It’s really not some metaphysical thing anymore DMT pens are consumer products regardless of how any of us feel about it.

What a time to be alive
Wars on every corner, collapse of communities, sacred is on the sale and much more to come…
Cry or laugh about it, your choice. I actually feel good about a limited lifespan at this point.
I'll do my best with my time and move on, whether I want to or not. God Bless us All

 

[Voidmatrix]

Let's not fret, the shit gets real and most people won't last.

On the other hand, plenty will have their delusions strengthened.

One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

Cry or laugh about it, your choice. I actually feel good about a limited lifespan at this point.

Yeah... it's hard to want to be here...

One love

 

[fink]

And from my perspective, all of it is one us fragmented. So how could i complain?

 

[weirdoigo]

Are we sharing DMT because we want to give that gift to others? Or are we doing it because we are terrified about what we have discovered and desire others to be terrified with us?

you're terrified? I think it's terrific!

I want my friend to breakthrough for the same reason she wanted me to go skydiving.

 

[weirdoigo]

Overwhelming is the right word for sure. It's awesome to experience something like breakthrough, but what could one bring back?
I have a number of experiences that are fun to remember, but they were too out there…

why do you not consider that itself as something brought back?

I used to listen to the new atheists and the scientific skeptics, Seth Shostak's Big Picture Science podcast, the guy behind the SETI Institute (the Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence), etc., and apparently none of these people who devote hours of their life every week to the subject of life beyond Earth, intelligence superior to ours, worlds that are more beautiful and harmonious than the one we're at times building and at times destroying, have ever had enough curiosity or courage to take one deep breath and see for themselves what's down the rabbit hole.

For me, that glimpse changes everything. I may not be able to draw a cool picture of what I saw. I may not be able to convince you that what I saw was more than my imagination (though I do believe there are some experiences which are more plausible on that model than on the materialist model, which are sufficient for the experiencer, though not sufficient for the rest of the world who can only trust or doubt their story). But I can never go back to looking around and thinking this house and this city and this society is the only interesting one to explore. I can never go back to laughing at people praying to their god as if they're credulous children following fairy tales and believing in magic.
One thing I brought back was the knowledge that 'the third eye' is real. whatever it means that it's real. Even if it was only a window into your own mind, your own private imagination, well, I thought there were only walls there. I thought no one could see any such thing, whatever such things are. I had no idea I could dream up such wonderfully complex ecosystems of joyful activity and strangeness. I really don't think I can. Whoever believes it's all in their head must see some incredibly boring and ordinary things, or have an exceedingly high opinion of themselves.

Even just the knowledge of what my mind is capable of seeing is something I bring back with me. I stare at a tapestry on my wall and it looks random and confusing to me. I can't see what the artist must've seen in choosing to draw it that way. then after a deep breath I can see it shift and fragment into layers that all make beautiful sense....for a few short minutes before that enhancement of my perception fades and I can only perceive it crudely and flat again, like someone temporarily given color vision to see a rainbow or a sunset and then gone colorblind again. To know that is possible is something I brought back. To know that technology exists, and that we walk around every day trying to achieve things and taking risks based on our limited perception, when very easily improvements to it are possible but forbidden, I brought that back with me. It's like having had depression and then getting serotonin and going 'oh, is this why everyone else doesn't want to kill themselves? is this how they get up and go to work every day so easily? this is much easier, this is much better! this might even be fun!', knowing the radical contrasts in human experience and capability can be mediated not just by the luck of genes or decades of study and personal development, but by a deep breath of the right molecule? I feel like that should be front page news.

 

[weirdoigo]

If ordering bark locally isn't possible, and your situation allows it, consider growing your own.

sadly I'm no longer in a position where I have the option of growing a tree.

Hyperspace takes practice to reach a point where you know how not to get distracted, what to pay attention to, and mastery to know how to bring it back,

do you know of any threads discussing this? none of my search keywords have found anything yet.
I've learned a little bit about navigation, but I still don't understand how people choose where they go or how they initiate communication or know when it's appropriate.

 

[fink]

you're terrified? I think it's terrific!

I want my friend to breakthrough for the same reason she wanted me to go skydiving.

Oh yes, terrified. And as it happens I've done over 6000 skydives. We are in the same club friend!

There are wonders in DMT world for sure. I love those bits. They seem like more of a reward than a guaranteed experience for me.

It's not even any one experience that is so scary after a while. It's the implications of just how strongly we can shatter this easy to process 3D reality into infinite impossibility. Even for hardcore concious agents on our level it's almost too much to process in the time we have remaining here.

If every human could have a loving, tranquil and life changing experience with these substances it probably would have already happened.


Additional: it's also terrifying for me because there is such an impossible amount of stuff already going on in our material reality.

Then there is another infinite amount of stuff going on a quick smoke away.

 

[northape]

Even just the knowledge of what my mind is capable of seeing is something I bring back with me. I stare at a tapestry on my wall and it looks random and confusing to me. I can't see what the artist must've seen in choosing to draw it that way. then after a deep breath I can see it shift and fragment into layers that all make beautiful sense....for a few short minutes before that enhancement of my perception fades and I can only perceive it crudely and flat again, like someone temporarily given color vision to see a rainbow or a sunset and then gone colorblind again. To know that is possible is something I brought back. To know that technology exists, and that we walk around every day trying to achieve things and taking risks based on our limited perception, when very easily improvements to it are possible but forbidden, I brought that back with me. It's like having had depression and then getting serotonin and going 'oh, is this why everyone else doesn't want to kill themselves? is this how they get up and go to work every day so easily? this is much easier, this is much better! this might even be fun!', knowing the radical contrasts in human experience and capability can be mediated not just by the luck of genes or decades of study and personal development, but by a deep breath of the right molecule? I feel like that should be front page news.

It was not my intention to diss a breakthrough. And I'm in agreement with what you shared.
Still, it comes down to intention for your work. We don't necessary need to go so deep to heal our psyche.
Low-to-mid level work is usually all that we need to uncover dysfunctional patterns in our lives.

What you are talking about is on another level of magnitude. It's on the fringe and goes more into shamanism or spirituality.
I wouldn't put all my chips on the right molecule, though. It comes down to your own maturity and intent.
People went as deep without any external help throughout the history. We're just too disconnected and in our heads these days, that we need an extra push.

For sure, we always bring something back, but sometimes it sits in our subconscious for years.
I'm glad that you're so optimistic about it and value your lessons. Life will show the way, and we all have our own Path to tread.

 

[weirdoigo]

We don't necessary need to go so deep to heal our psyche.

yeh, if someone's already very successful and happy then, yeh, why bother to travel. the next life can wait for when this one's done.

Low-to-mid level work is usually all that we need to uncover dysfunctional patterns in our lives.

everything is a bell curve. once in a lifetime might be enough for some people.
but there is a minority of us who need high level work for glaring dysfunctions.
some people need an annual check-up, other people need ongoing therapy or even life-support.

People went as deep without any external help throughout the history. We're just too disconnected and in our heads these days, that we need an extra push.

yeh, I can see why people call mushrooms 'grounding'.
reminded me of this.
“Well, I think women by virtue of the fact that they menstruate and give birth are just inherently more chemically driven creatures than men. Men are Apollonian in intent. The idea is always some kind of abstract purity, clarity kind of thing. And women know from the get go that that's an illusion, but the reality is the floor of the rainforest, the interconnected tissue, the levels, the trade-offs and so forth and so on.
This is why I think generally men tend to be more interested in these things than women and to also be more impacted by them. For women, it seems to sort of fit in and affirm what they knew. For men, it seems to come as a tremendous surprise that this is the way things are put together.”
— Terence McKenna

 

[northape]

yeh, I can see why people call mushrooms 'grounding'.
reminded me of this.
“Well, I think women by virtue of the fact that they menstruate and give birth are just inherently more chemically driven creatures than men. Men are Apollonian in intent. The idea is always some kind of abstract purity, clarity kind of thing. And women know from the get go that that's an illusion, but the reality is the floor of the rainforest, the interconnected tissue, the levels, the trade-offs and so forth and so on.
This is why I think generally men tend to be more interested in these things than women and to also be more impacted by them. For women, it seems to sort of fit in and affirm what they knew. For men, it seems to come as a tremendous surprise that this is the way things are put together.”
— Terence McKenna

The archetype of the Goddess, Mother of the World, Shakti or Maya is what he points to. She goes by many names, but she's the energy of creation.
This whole illusion is her doing and we are her children. Women incorporate this biologically, but many are psychologically disconnected from it nowadays.
You can see an attempt to reconnect in women's ferocity today. Like Kali, they try to burn the village (society) so that new seeds could grow.

Terence was a good storyteller, but he was just a man like you and me. You can find this wisdom yourself.
There are no absolutes here. We're like patients in a mental ward, talking about the world outside our walls.
All the best

 

[NeitherHere]

I look at it this way.

I believe everyone has the right to defend their livelihood, but that doesn't mean I should go around giving every person a handgun willy nilly right?

Those who are mature enough and responsible enough will find their way. Most of us had to do our own extractions to get our first glimpses of hyperspace. Personally I feel it's a right of passage.

THis is a "teach a man to fish" situation. While I feel it's morally questionable NOT to want to share with everyone I think the risks outweigh the reward in sharing with EVERYONE because like you said, some aren't ready, others might actually end up psychologically hurt, and at the end of the day what's the morality in showing something to someone who might never get the chance to experience it themselves again unless they know how to extract that rarity themselves? Why feed a man the greatest meal he will ever have without any hope of making that same meal when you could just teach him to make it himself?

Do I believe every human has the right to experience it themselves? Yes

Do I believe I should be dosing every adult I can ? Absolutely not

Do I believe I should be TEACHING every human being how to extract? Aaaaaaabsolutely not.

There are those will Ill intentions that would hurt themselves and even others in the name of the mighty sheckle or just to feel a sense of superiority for having persistent access when others don't. This at the end of the day is why our attitude section has been up for quite some time and why we discourage buying spice from others. People selling it oftentimes have little to no regards for the potential consequences that come from what essentially is selling a psychological hand grenade to someone without any means of support on how to handle it.. I have never sold Dimitri in any quantity or given it to anyone I wasn't actively going to take LIFE responsibility over should things go sideways. For me to give it to anyone they have to use it with me and spend some time afterwards with me.


You have to ask yourself :
Is this person reasonable enough to trudge the waters of uncertainty after they experience the unexplainable without chasing the rabbit down the hole of psychosis

Are they mature enough to know when to hang up the phone and take a break?

Are they responsible enough to call if they get stuck on the unexplainable or start to struggle after the fact like many of us do after persistent or higher doses?

Can I trust them with MY freedom and welfare (are they gonna go spreading my name and/or snitch to the authorities if they get in trouble)

And

Is this medicine more likely to help them than it is to harm them.


All said and done I think we all find our own way somehow. Our experiences are vastly different from one another. I have yet to meet anyone who is sincerely interested in DMT enough to take the time to extract it. My gateway is if they say they're interested I might start to explain the extraction process and offer to help them learn. I have yet to find anyone mature enough to take on such a simple "burden" for a lack of better words so I don't give it to anyone.

It's not a matter of gate keeping at all, I want everyone to have at least one experience. But in my eyes it's my civil responsibility to ensure that the medicine isn't abused or hurt anyone under my care. The whole spiderman "with great power comes great responsibility" quote comes to mind