Jimjam DMT acetate, smokable or have to freebase?

[Anciaki]

I have used the shearch engine but I can read different and contrasting opinions...
I even vaped around 20mg of this "wax" today and it had a really nice taste (extracted with limonene)

But, given that I would like to do changa, would it be good to frebbase it or I can find a way to dissolve in something to add it to the leaf?
Also I rode in Q21Q21 TEK that DMT acetate might be more unstable than the freebase.

Any other reason why freebase, for smoking purposes, is better than acetate?

 

[monomind]

If you look around the forum ( as you did ) you will not find a conclusive answer. AFAIK the non freebase forms will contain some extra molecules that might (or might not) be harmful to your lungs.

From my limited experience... I really didn't like the taste of the acetate. So much so that I converted it to freebase with sodium carbonate and acetone ( instructions can be found at the bottom of the BLAB tek page )

 

[Hyper Turtle]

When i started out extracting, i also made acetate from limo. Me too i liked the taste I think the people who had harsher taste than with freebase, didn't evaporate the acetic acid completely enough.

I can say it works well for changa, too. You can dissolve it in acetone or alcohols, no problem.

The reason why smoking salt forms is discouraged, is that it's unclear what happens to the acid ions when you burn them. There was a thread stating that the pyrolysis products of fumarate can cause long term harm to the lungs even in small doses.

All in all, i decided after a short while that i'm not taking these risks anymore and simply convert to freebase if i want to smoke. Although i also have to say that i'm a cigarette smoker, and they contain many salts. So i don't think smoking changa made with salts would increase my risks much. But, better safe(r) than sorry.

One non-health advantage that freebase has over acetate for changa, is that it dries/hardens completely, whereas my acetate changa liked to stay slightly moist for a long long time.

Regardless of what exactly you use for your changa, i recommend drying it for about a week more after it seems to have fully evaporated all solvent.

I'm not sure about the efficiency of smoked acetate, i never really weighed my changa doses.

Something i noticed - not sure if it has to be this way or i did something 'wrong' - was that freebase that i converted from acetate doesn't like to harden very well. If you end up having the same problem, use citric or fumaric for backsalting from limo next time.

 

[Anciaki]

I'm courious about something... would DMT freeze precipitate in acetone? If not, why?

 

[Hyper Turtle]

I'm courious about something... would DMT freeze precipitate in acetone? If not, why?

No, because:

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dmt is very soluble in xylene, toluene, acetone, IPA, methanol, ethanol, DCM, chloroform, ether, MEK, limonene, butanol and isomers to name a few.

dmt is soluble in naphtha, hexane, heptane but almost insoluble in these solvents at freezing temperatures
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If you have dmt freebase dissolved in acetone, you'll have to evaporate to retrieve it as freebase. If you add some smokable plant material before you evap, this is how you make enhanced leaf (or changa if your solution contains harmalas too).

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Something i noticed - not sure if it has to be this way or i did something 'wrong' - was that freebase that i converted from acetate doesn't like to harden very well. If you end up having the same problem, use citric or fumaric for backsalting from limo next time.

It seems likely to me that DMT acetate leans towards having the properties of a room-temperature liquid eutectic.

The formation of room-temperature liquid eutectics is favored by the mixing of a hydrogen-bond acceptor (e.g., a quaternary ammonium salt) with a strong hydrogen-bond donor (e.g., a carboxylic acid).

This could go some way towards explaining the stickiness of some of DMT's carboxylate salts.