Just an idea

[ajscent]

I've been reading a lot about experiences where entities say your not welcome or are negative trying to push someone out of a space. I have a random theory that perhaps it would be like what if a presence suddenly appeared in our human dimension unexpected , we would sense something trying to contact us and it would freak us out , so we would repel it , perhaps aggressively . What I was thinking whilst looking up at the stars , say in omega 15543 there was a family of weird mushy things sitting down to have tea and then they felt a weird presence in the room but their senses couldn't quite figure out what it was they would repel it away out of instinct . I'm not talking about these higher beings that are spoken of but the common angry ones. I know if I felt some alien presence in my room gauping at me , and tho I couldn't see it , I just felt something was weird scary I would push it away , attack it. It's just a random idea I thought of as people jump accross galaxy's unexpectedly entering dimensions. I'm probably wrong but just a thought eh.

 

[anrchy]

What if ghosts are just people tripping on DMT. To us things just look all crazy but were really just out of body and scaring the heck out of people IRL.

 

[ajscent]

Ha maybe !

What I mean is , there are probably many species who have a similar build to us , a low level of spirituality which has a physical form. Lets say on planet Kronos there is a species of humanesque four legged creatures. They are all happy days trying to do their dayly grind of killing food and eating it just like us. They also occasionally have had contact with the divine but for the most part are just like us, on a slow process to enlightenment , realisation that there is much more.

Now at a low dose of dmt people often are still in the lower spheres which often encompasses travelling , and at a high dose it's bang realisation of oneness.

So on the lower dose maybe the travelling is actually taking place in space and the contortions are allowing for environments where different parameters surround the other planets. Which give it the multi dimensional field feel cause it's just so far off the gravity etc we have on earth.

The dmt is after all only smoke and many of the participants are far from "pure" people , often you hear accounts of someone saying they have been having a hard day then they hit the dmt and had a negative experience with an entity.

I'm suggesting they space travelled as Joe blogs who used smoke to get there and there's a randomness to where the dmt will drop you off. But it does want to drop you off by other species as it appears that's its nature , other than the deep space , void visits where no life exists except the oneness.

So if you get dropped off on Planet X or on Omega 15166 as Joe Blogs who has just had a hard day at work, has little intent , is a bit run down and bored and has a smoke of dmt , suddenly this rather dull entity is on Planet X and in front of beings . These low level ( perhaps equal to human intelligence which lets face it isn't that high ) freak out and are scared , they may actually be nice beings most of the time and to each other but all they see is a freaky ghost like appearance of someone with little intent and they start screaming "get away I will hurt you ". That is what a human being would do if faced with a presence in a room they could barely sense let alone see , I've had a weird feeling a few times and tho I can't see anything just say oh F off go way ... And it does !

Now accounts then often say the dmt voyager then uses the projection of "love" feelings and the entities subside. I am wondering if this would be tantamount to me shouting at a presence then getting a nice warm feeling and saying ahh actually it's ok , ignoring my paranoia of a presence in the room and continuing with my dayly duties. Thus no longer blocking this "new" visitors entry into my realm with my fear and aggression , which would be normal for me do so.

Anyway that's my crazy thoughts

 

[anrchy]

Personally if it does actually send you somewhere, IMO, that other place is a highly evolved highly complex geometrically designed upper echelon of what we know as existence.

If thats what it is it doesnt exist in the the way we commonly think of reality as. It's beyond words, expression, understanding. It's beyond reality.

 

[hixidom]

I think the entities probably exist within our own mind somewhere. That doesn't make them any less real, however. After all, I am also a being that exists in my mind, so these other entities are as real as I am for what that is worth.

 

[cuscowahca]

Of course beings exist. Remember we are living an illusion.

 

[The Day Tripper]

Of course beings exist. Remember we are living an illusion.

If we are living an illusion, then how can you be sure beings exist?

Doesn't the mere fact that what we perceive being an illusion, or not the full/fundamental reality, rule out any objective rationality, or proof of existence of certain things, as we perceive them?

If you want my take on the whole contact with entities phenomenon reported not only with dmt, or psychedelics, or drugs in general, but a TON of aspects of experience, its an internal distortion of an already distorted perception of a reality you are used to.

So people rationalize this in a bunch of different ways, obe's, ufo contact (not excluding the possibility of such phenomenon, just some of it may be 100% mental/hallucinations), experiencing god/oneness, dmt entity contact, whatever.

IMHO, all thats happening, is you are messing with the neurochemical systems involved with perception. Since we can almost certainly assume what we perceive is not reality in its true form, i'm extremely doubtful that whats happening is actual contact.

That would require ftl transmission of information for one, and by means we have no understanding of second. I mean your free to believe what you want, but to me, thats giving up your right to be skeptical. Almost a religious approach to the psychedelic experience.

I don't have a problem with others doing that at all btw. If it works for you, it works for you. Personally, i just take all my psychedelic experiences as chemically induced changes of perspective. Thats just a tool to give you a wider experience of an already distorted reality.

 

[hixidom]

you are messing with the neurochemical systems involved with perception

That would require ftl transmission of information for one

If out sense of perception is so easily fooled, how can we be sure that neurons, chemicals, and light even exist? The neurochemistry alteration theory starts with the assumption that our perceptions of the world are accurate to explain why our perceptions are sometimes not trustworthy. It is paradoxical reasoning, in my opinion, not that it isn't the best theory humans have developed thus far.

 

[ajscent]

you are messing with the neurochemical systems involved with perception

That would require ftl transmission of information for one

Without a physical body which is primed for physical use on earth , with specific needs to gravity , speed etc then maybe
there is another capsule for the awareness , one that can travel galaxies.

Remb the brain wiping ? Maybe it's done cause they know u really can't come back saying I was on planet Zargon last night..
They know you would be in a nuthouse.

The symbols and visual imagery is maybe kept to occupy you whilst space is "bent" , and the person is thrown accross time and space . Actual subtle physicality is moved , maybe off the planet. You know they say we will never be able to visit another solar system no matter what cause its just too far away. No matter what ship we build , and they keep saying space would need to be bent , and what a diff prob that would be to solve.

People are bending space and perhaps nature wants to put different species in contact with one another so the dmt extract binds with other species of a like minded vibration no matter what other planet they are from. Why make a universe and make travel impossible for the species that you put on these planets and solar systems? I say impossible cause you can't fly faster than the speed of light right , but reports of dimension travelling maybe wormhole technology. People maybe folding space