LazySimple Bufo Extraction TEK idea

[myo6]

Hello,I'm a new member on the Nexus and I plan to share with you abaout my experiences, my thoughts and my likes. As you can see, I'm french psychonaut, which explain my bad english skills

So,

I figured a lot of people said a lot of different things concerning various extraction's tek (Bufo IPA extraction , No smell tek,etc) ; some people sayin' it works when others says it didn't.

I'm planning to perform a simple extraction tek (naphta wash/acetone pull/filtering/evap) which can be found in your wiki (the guy applied it to LSA):
PanoraMIX HBWR Extract - DMT-Nexus Wiki .

This TEk was made for LSA extraction from HBWR but I think it could work for bufotenine extraction from crushed A.colubrina seeds, isn't it?

I also know that I will not have 100% pure bufotenine cristals but a "bufo goo" crude extract which will have some bufotenine AND some nasties (nausea inducing alkaloids,some fats,etc).



What guys do you think? Could the extraction work, and could this extract be smokable?

Thank you for your replies and I apologize for my baaaaad english!

myo6

 

[Entheogenerator]

This tek would definitely extract bufotenine and a bunch of other stuff as you stated, but it would leave the bufotenine in it's naturally-occurring salt form. I am not sure how good bufotenine salts are for smoking, but since most bufo teks include a basing step I would guess that bufotenine is better smoked in it's freebase form. The salts would however be much more stable for storage, which would be good since bufotenine freebase seems to be prone to degradation.

Maybe someone a little more experienced with bufotenine will chime in, but I would recommend doing one of the bufo-specific extraction teks, leaving most of it as a fumarate salt, and converting however much you intend to smoke within a couple of days to freebase.

 

[myo6]

Thank for this quick reply!

Since it appears that this extract will not be well smokeable,how could I basify it in order to smoke it?



EDIT: Moreover, I find that this method,which have a naphta wash step, could lead to a purer extract than the "Bufotenine IPA extraction " available here or I am mistaking somewhere?



That's how I plan to do it (mostly based on the "HBWR panoramix extraction tek", I just added the red steps):

1)Toast the seeds in an hotplate at 450°F during 30 minutes,which will evaporate some nasties;

2)After removing the husk,grind the seeds to powder and put in one jar.

3)Do a naptha wash, so add napta until 5cm above the seeds.

4)Repeat step 3 until the naphta remains clear;

5)Discard the naptha save the solids (powdered seeds)

6) Add pure acetone to the solids, mix well; Let it stand for 30 min.

7) Pull 3 times, keeping the acetone;

8 ) Let all this acetone evaporate until a dry powder could be scraped.

9) Now we have a crude bufotenine extract, in which the bufotenine seems to be in salt form; so now we need a "freebasing step" in order to basify this extract (making it smokeable), but my chemical skills didn't allow me to know how...any thoughts?

 

[Entheogenerator]

Thank for this quick reply!

Since it appears that this extract will not be well smokeable,how could I basify it in order to smoke it?



EDIT: Moreover, I find that this method,which have a naphta wash step, could lead to a purer extract than the "Bufotenine IPA extraction " available here or I am mistaking somewhere?



That's how I plan to do it (mostly based on the "HBWR panoramix extraction tek", I just added the red steps):

1)Toast the seeds in an hotplate at 450°F during 30 minutes,which will evaporate some nasties;

2)After removing the husk,grind the seeds to powder and put in one jar.

3)Do a naptha wash, so add napta until 5cm above the seeds.

4)Repeat step 3 until the naphta remains clear;

5)Discard the naptha save the solids (powdered seeds)

6) Add pure acetone to the solids, mix well; Let it stand for 30 min.

7) Pull 3 times, keeping the acetone;

8 ) Let all this acetone evaporate until a dry powder could be scraped.

9) Now we have a crude bufotenine extract, in which the bufotenine seems to be in salt form; so now we need a "freebasing step" in order to basify this extract (making it smokeable), but my chemical skills didn't allow me to know how...any thoughts?

There is some debate as to whether toasting and removing the husks has any benefit. I always toast, but I have never removed the husks.

After you do your naphtha washes, let the seed mush dry completely. Mix seeds with equal parts calcium carbonate and enough water to make a thick paste. Let it dry completely and re-powderize the mixture, then proceed as planned. This would still leave a crude extract, but it would at least be a crude bufotenine freebase extract.

Here are a couple links for the tek I have used for reasonably pure bufotenine freebase, and a thread about smoking bufotenine salts v. freebase.

 

[myo6]

The tek you posted seems to be much more efficient than the panoramix tek, but fumaric acid (as well as others acids ), 99% IPA, everclear and a lot of chemicals are pretty hard to find here without owning a chemical company ^^ ...that's why I wanted to stick with a simple tek involving only acetone,naphta, and calcium/sodium carbonate.


Your second links confirm that bufotenine must be freebased for being smoked, but it seems that freebased bufotenine is fairly unstable, which is not good for storing. That's why I think it would be better to extract it in its salt form, in order to storing it safely, and basify the extract before smoking...but as I said I'm just wondering it,since I'm not a chemist and I did not performed bufo extraction.

Mix seeds with equal parts calcium carbonate and enough water to make a thick paste. Let it dry completely and re-powderize the mixture

Could we do that with the final salt bufotenine extract instead of the seeds, in order to freebase it? Just mixing the extract with some wet calcium carbonate and smoking this paste when dry would be really convenient and easy!

 

[Entheogenerator]

The tek you posted seems to be much more efficient than the panoramix tek, but fumaric acid (as well as others acids ), 99% IPA, everclear and a lot of chemicals are pretty hard to find here without owning a chemical company ^^ ...that's why I wanted to stick with a simple tek involving only acetone,naphta, and calcium/sodium carbonate.


Your second links confirm that bufotenine must be freebased for being smoked, but it seems that freebased bufotenine is fairly unstable, which is not good for storing. That's why I think it would be better to extract it in its salt form, in order to storing it safely, and basify the extract before smoking...but as I said I'm just wondering it,since I'm not a chemist and I did not performed bufo extraction.

Mix seeds with equal parts calcium carbonate and enough water to make a thick paste. Let it dry completely and re-powderize the mixture

Could we do that with the final salt bufotenine extract instead of the seeds, in order to freebase it? Just mixing the extract with some wet calcium carbonate and smoking this paste when dry would be really convenient and easy!

Fumaric acid is unavailable? It is used in making food, and is sold in a lot of grocery stores/herb shops in most countries.

I apologize. I meant to recommend freebasing with calcium hydroxide, not carbonate.

Either way, I would not suggest smoking calcium hydroxide or carbonate. You could probably thoroughly mix your crude bufotenine extract with equal parts calcium hydroxide and enough water to make a paste, let it dry, re-powderize it, then pull with acetone and evaporate. This would leave you with a crude bufotenine freebase extract, without a lot of calcium hydroxide contamination.

 

[myo6]

Fumaric acid is unavailable? It is used in making food, and is sold in a lot of grocery stores/herb shops in most countries.

Not where I live

I apologize. I meant to recommend freebasing with calcium hydroxide, not carbonate.

Where I live calcium hydroxyde is also a PITA to find.... would sodium carbonate work as well? I also read that calcium hydroxyde was much more alkaline and that it could destroy the bufotenine, but I don't know. Many people argue to use sodium carbonate to be safe,however.

Either way, I would not suggest smoking calcium hydroxide or carbonate. You could probably thoroughly mix your crude bufotenine extract with equal parts calcium hydroxide and enough water to make a paste, let it dry, re-powderize it, then pull with acetone and evaporate. This would leave you with a crude bufotenine freebase extract, without a lot of calcium hydroxide contamination.

That's what I wanted to read

So, could I replace calcium hydroxyde (as I said,hard to find here) for sodium carbonate (much more available!) ?

In both case, how many time must I let it react (convert to freebase) before pulling the final freebased extract with acetone?


Thank you very much, I'm really reaching my goal now

 

[Entheogenerator]

That's unfortunate about the fumaric acid.

Calcium hydroxide could be ordered online for next to nothing (I have 2x quart-jars full from a bag I bought for $2.50 USD). It will not destroy the alkaloids. I don't see any reason that sodium carbonate wouldn't work as well, but I am no chemistry expert so don't quote me on that.

You only need to freebase the mixture once before pulling.

 

[myo6]

You only need to freebase the mixture once before pulling.

I didn't explain myself very well ^^ I need to know how long (in minutes/hours?) must I let the sodium carbonate react with the bufo extract before pulling this paste with acetone?

 

[Entheogenerator]

You only need to freebase the mixture once before pulling.

I didn't explain myself very well ^^ I need to know how long (in minutes/hours?) must I let the sodium carbonate react with the bufo extract before pulling this paste with acetone?

Wow, I'm a dummy sometimes. Looking back at my notes from my last bufo extraction, I realize I used sodium carbonate last time. :roll:

Sodium carbonate will work fine.

You only need to let it react for as long as it takes you to mix it thoroughly and let it dry. Once sodium carbonate and water are mixed in thoroughly, the reaction should take place pretty much instantly.

 

[myo6]

Ok i will post my results in this thread as soon as I will extract it!
thanks for all

 

[myo6]

Finally I got my seeds and I did the following steps:

1)Grind 50g seeds with a blender;
2)Mixed the amount of crushed seeds with a similar amount (in volume) of sodium carbonate ,mixing it with a little water in order to make a paste...I let it one hour, mixing every 10 minutes;
3) I took this paste, put it in a pyrex dish, and let it dry with some heat, less than 100°C (212°F),using a double boiler (I don't know if you understand me? ^^)
4) I finally took the dried paste and put it in acetone , in order to pull the active.

What could I do now?