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Listening to music on syrian rue
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harmala_afficianado
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Just saw this thread now, and i can indeed tell you if you know how to work with rue, it will enhance music like no other, no other substance comes close imo
Could you post details on what "knowing how to work with rue" means?
harmala_afficianado
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Rue works better when you use it daily/near daily, it has a reverse tolerance effect where the more you take it the stronger it gets with less side effects, so you can take high doses with no issue whatsoever.
I was taking 12g everyday at some point, now im taking 8-10g, and i can confidently say when you get past the 6-7g territory, it becomes a completely diff beast, the euphoria becomes divine
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Do you weigh 200kg or something? Most people would barely be able to function on those doses. Maybe that's not an issue for you?
High dose harmalas in the form of rue brews - and for other people as much as myself - causes a sensory flanging effect across various modalities, including tactile, visual and kinesthetic senses as much as auditory. The auditory effects are quite remarkable, even the sound of turning a page can become outright fascinating. There's a textural level to it that gets turned up to the nth degree. I can imagine that some music will be particularly suited to exploiting this funomenon (
)Music recommendations are therefore encouraged. I'd like to try listening to Daft Punk's "Homework" under the influence sometime.
For some reason I've tended to use high dose rue in silence, maybe because it gets to be too much bother to sort that kind of stuff out.
harmala_afficianado
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12g at the beggining would have given me a terrible time, ive been taking rue daily for 5 months now, at some point the side effects will disappear and you can take huge doses without any side effects, i only started with 4g and after some time increased slowly when the side effects started to diminishDo you weigh 200kg or something? Most people would barely be able to function on those doses. Maybe that's not an issue for you?
High dose harmalas in the form of rue brews - and for other people as much as myself - causes a sensory flanging effect across various modalities, including tactile, visual and kinesthetic senses as much as auditory. The auditory effects are quite remarkable, even the sound of turning a page can become outright fascinating. There's a textural level to it that gets turned up to the nth degree. I can imagine that some music will be particularly suited to exploiting this funomenon (
Music recommendations are therefore encouraged. I'd like to try listening to Daft Punk's "Homework" under the influence sometime.
For some reason I've tended to use high dose rue in silence, maybe because it gets to be too much bother to sort that kind of stuff out.
Some idea of your body weight would still be helpful, as would some more specific commentary on the synergy (or otherwise) with music.
I took harmalas in the form of rue brews for six weeks straight and found that anything above 2.8 g impaired my daily functioning ability, with a body weight of ~65 kg at the time. What was your duration of usage before dialling in to a functional state? Maybe your years of polydrug ~usage have contributed to a more refractory psychological constitution…
harmala_afficianado
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I Was 67-72 kg during those 5 months, tbh, during the first month, the side effects actually got stronger each day with the same dose, like some days i would get more nausea and motor impairment, so im not surprised six weeks were not enough for you, you just have to keep pushing and at some point the side effects will completely vanish, i can go to the gym with superhuman strength now on 10g.
Before starting with rue, i was on a long break from all substances, for like 1-1.5 years, i was addicted to cannabis before, and i was using hallucinogens way too frequently, i stopped everything for a year and started working with rue, i have combined cannabis after getting used to rue now, and the cannabis high is drastically changed, its like smoking cannabis now just makes the rue alot stronger and more like a 5ht2a agonist, music becomes even more heavenly with cannabis in the mix, but i dont think its good (for me at least) to use cannabis too frequently.
Rue alone is def enough tho, you can get all what you want from psychedelics by using rue long term, it produces this unique meditave state where your fully in the present moment and you feel like a buddha.
I havent took mushrooms yet with daily rue, i used to love psilohuasca before years ago, but im pretty sure itll be way diff now when rue is used daily, especially with something like 10g seeds, im planning to get some mushrooms soon
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Fascinating. I'm really surprised of the amount of Rue you are taking and enjoying. But I have not been taking it daily for a some longer time, and I'm never using it on its own. I've read that some people have been taking it daily (but then not >10 g) for extended time, months, years, with what it seem no bad effects. Some even did test their liver values to be sure. But surely a substance that alter many neurotransmitters significantly will cause the system to adapt and change? Does that not worry you?
I know that stronger non reversible MAOI's has been used clinically and I guess I can try to read up on that. Sorry for derailing the thread.
Regarding Rue and music. I really can't say that it effects me much. I almost only use it with cannabis and that makes a difference The only thing I've noticed regarding Rue and sounds it that if I don't listen to music and are outdoors, the sound of the wind in the trees sounds like mumbling voices.
I know that stronger non reversible MAOI's has been used clinically and I guess I can try to read up on that. Sorry for derailing the thread.
Regarding Rue and music. I really can't say that it effects me much. I almost only use it with cannabis and that makes a difference
The only thing I've noticed regarding Rue and sounds it that if I don't listen to music and are outdoors, the sound of the wind in the trees sounds like mumbling voices.
I get a bit more appreciative about music and it tends to affects me in a deeper way on harmine/harmaline hcl. The doses I take are from 100 - 200mg of the hcl salts.
I really enjoy music while on Rue. But the idea of drinking 12g terrifies me. That one time I took 5.6g having not taken any in the previous 2 weeks, and I had little experience with Rue at the time (still do, tbh), so it hit me like an absolute truck. I had to move to the couch and completely melted there hahaha
In any case, I still don't think that's normal for most people. Either you have some specific predisposition to high Rue tolerance for one reason or another, or something else is at play, because as @Transform mentioned above, doses of 3g and above seem to be quite inebriating to almost everyone I've talked to about Rue. Do you experience similarly high tolerance to other substances, or is Rue an outlier for you?
In any case, I still don't think that's normal for most people. Either you have some specific predisposition to high Rue tolerance for one reason or another, or something else is at play, because as @Transform mentioned above, doses of 3g and above seem to be quite inebriating to almost everyone I've talked to about Rue. Do you experience similarly high tolerance to other substances, or is Rue an outlier for you?
harmala_afficianado
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Well tbh it did worry me at first, but rue keeps on consistenly giving me unbelievable benefits, and they dramatically increase the more i increase the dose, its doing countless good things for me, any other substance that does good, will give bad later or at least stop doing good, but that doesnt seem to be the case at all with rue, there are no side effects, and i can stop without any withdrawal whatsoever,Fascinating. I'm really surprised of the amount of Rue you are taking and enjoying. But I have not been taking it daily for a some longer time, and I'm never using it on its own. I've read that some people have been taking it daily (but then not >10 g) for extended time, months, years, with what it seem no bad effects. Some even did test their liver values to be sure. But surely a substance that alter many neurotransmitters significantly will cause the system to adapt and change? Does that not worry you?
I know that stronger non reversible MAOI's has been used clinically and I guess I can try to read up on that. Sorry for derailing the thread.
Regarding Rue and music. I really can't say that it effects me much. I almost only use it with cannabis and that makes a difference
I really believe rue was a gift sent to humanity, i can type for hours about the benefits its giving me.
I researched alot of about any health risks with long term rue, and the only thing is potential liver stress long term, so i started taking milk thistle daily with it, and i lowered from 12g to 10g recently, and ill try to slowly lower it more.
harmala_afficianado
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not really, infact im usually sensitive to all substances, especially weed, its just that i was convinced that rue was good for me so i just kept pushing lol, the first month it was the opposite, i would get more and more stoned each day.
It depends a lot on the method of preparation, which is not yet clarified. 12g whole seeds cooked for an hour is probably equivalent to 6g or less, eating whole seeds is not highly effective either. With finely ground seeds it is much more effective.
harmala_afficianado
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I boil the seeds lightly for 30 mins, it does work indeed because i always prepared it this way and 4-5g used to smack me
Yes that works, but I doubt that it extracts more than 50% of the actives, all extraction teks require several boils. 2.5g to 3g of fully extracted seeds is still a decent dose.
harmala_afficianado
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I mean i always thought this was the most efficiant way because my experienced matched others, 4g was the max i could take at first.
How many boils do people usually do? And for how long?
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I'd typically do three swift-ish (20-30 mins), hard boils on whole seeds, and even then got a surprise flooring from a final combined boil on a week's worth of aggregated 'spent' seeds. Looks like you'd get by on 5g doses with a bit of a shaping up of your brewing method.
Wouldn't it be nice to get twice the mileage from these precious seeds? I wonder if you'd notice a difference in qualitative effects, though. Do you have any experience with any of the three principal alkaloids separately?
Do you have some more specific comments on your experience of the auditory and music appreciation qualities of rue because, you know, thread title…?
Wouldn't it be nice to get twice the mileage from these precious seeds? I wonder if you'd notice a difference in qualitative effects, though. Do you have any experience with any of the three principal alkaloids separately?
Do you have some more specific comments on your experience of the auditory and music appreciation qualities of rue because, you know, thread title…?
I find cannabis and other psychedelics much better for music but the harmalas/cannabis/music combo has always been pretty enjoyable for me. I used to fall asleep on harmalas while listening to binaural beats and it became a way to realize I was dreaming. I'd hear the music in the dream even after taking off the headphones, which was the cue. That was many years ago now and I haven't tried it in ages. I was also taking a lot of melatonin at the time so I'm not sure if that was a big factor.
Harmine/harmaline/rue/vine seem to have a tolerance associated with them, and after some time the side effects are less also. I dunno about reverse tolerance. There is no data to support there being reverse tolerance to rue to vine. Its been elevated to the level where people seem to just assume it is true, while in the past other people here have noted that there does seem to be tolerance to the psychedelic effects. Perhaps it is related to serotonin 2a activity.
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