Listening to music on syrian rue

[The Sofa Traveler]

This thread about music on harmal just made me think about an ambient record I bought a few time ago : Mystic AM - Cardamom & Laudanum. The plot of the record especially made me establish an obvious link with harmal :

Conceived as an immersive fictional soundtrack piece, the release tells the story of a traveller, some centuries ago, and the rather intense metaphysical experience he unexpectedly stumbles into whilst taking shelter on a hot desert night at Zein-o-Din Caravanserai, near Yazd in Persia. Dusk envelopes the vast barren landscape as the protagonist enters the ribat, treasures of woven silks, ornaments and exotic spices glint under the flickering oil lamps, swirls of perfumed vapour dance mesmerisingly in the darkness. As the music unfolds the events of the passing day quickly melt away, and the unsuspecting traveller is plunged into an otherworldly dimension.

Not to mention one of the tracks titles which reminds the possible link between Zoroastrianism and harmal*: "Thus Spoke Zarathustra/The Djinn".

*David Flattery, Martin Schwartz, Haoma and Harmaline, 1989

 

[Panpsychic]

I Was 67-72 kg during those 5 months, tbh, during the first month, the side effects actually got stronger each day with the same dose, like some days i would get more nausea and motor impairment, so im not surprised six weeks were not enough for you, you just have to keep pushing and at some point the side effects will completely vanish, i can go to the gym with superhuman strength now on 10g.


Before starting with rue, i was on a long break from all substances, for like 1-1.5 years, i was addicted to cannabis before, and i was using hallucinogens way too frequently, i stopped everything for a year and started working with rue, i have combined cannabis after getting used to rue now, and the cannabis high is drastically changed, its like smoking cannabis now just makes the rue alot stronger and more like a 5ht2a agonist, music becomes even more heavenly with cannabis in the mix, but i dont think its good (for me at least) to use cannabis too frequently.


Rue alone is def enough tho, you can get all what you want from psychedelics by using rue long term, it produces this unique meditave state where your fully in the present moment and you feel like a buddha.

I havent took mushrooms yet with daily rue, i used to love psilohuasca before years ago, but im pretty sure itll be way diff now when rue is used daily, especially with something like 10g seeds, im planning to get some mushrooms soon

This is very interesting...I have wondered about this since Rue is the one that is praised and considered divine historically and may even be the Soma yet people don't get huge psyechedlic effects so it has been dismissed or just seen as adjunctive to DMT.

Maybe the issue has actually been us all this time and the modern instant gratification cultural mindset which very much fits the 10 minute DMT blastoff, whereas for those with the longterm view and commitment, Peganum Harmala or Caapi are the deepest sacraments to work with.

I mean i always thought this was the most efficiant way because my experienced matched others, 4g was the max i could take at first.

How many boils do people usually do? And for how long?

I usually do three boils for at least 30 mins each or longer. One boil wouldn't be sufficient. The remainder can always be kept for incense use also or as some have said, you can even potentially get more depending how long your initial boils were.

 

[Transform]

The remainder can always be kept for incense use also or as some have said, you can even potentially get more depending how long your initial boils were.

Worthy of note: if one does end up saving an amount of once cooked seeds, firstly - either dry them out completely or put them in the freezer until they're ready for further use. That way they won't go mouldy/bacterial while waiting to be reused.

Secondly, it's hard to tell how strong a second extraction might end up being, so be wary of combining multiple batches of spent seeds and keep a decent record of what you're doing. Rue 'isn't particularly psychedelic' until it suddenly is…

 

[windyshaman]

Well - I suppose - it might just be me.

I'm about 4 hours in on 3.5g of the rue's brew with nothing else (1st time). Can't say I felt or feeling anything worth reporting on. Like yes, there was about 2hrs where I didn't care much for what was playing in terms of music, it was just flowing... Kinda felt like being on a macro-dose of cubes (.3 - .5g) while feeling none of the mind-altering weirdness and none of the music's "taste"-ness.

And that's about the extend of it...

 

[Transform]

Well - I suppose - it might just be me.

I'm about 4 hours in on 3.5g of the rue's brew with nothing else (1st time). Can't say I felt or feeling anything worth reporting on. Like yes, there was about 2hrs where I didn't care much for what was playing in terms of music, it was just flowing... Kinda felt like being on a macro-dose of cubes (.3 - .5g) while feeling none of the mind-altering weirdness and none of the music's "taste"-ness.

And that's about the extend of it...

Do you have some more details about how you brewed your rue, and how the dose compares with your body mass?

I can relate to the indifference - it really doesn't seem to compare to the awe one gets when listening to music on a classic serotonergic psychedelic. Otoh, I do love the flanging auditory effect from a stiffer [i.e. larger] rue dose. It rather highlights why rattles are favoured during ayahuasca ceremonies, but comes at the expense of being somewhat debilitating (ime).

 

[windyshaman]

Do you have some more details about how you brewed your rue, and how the dose compares with your body mass?

Keeping it very basic, couple of 30mins simmers, filtered and chilled. 210lbs body weight.

Admittedly - I'm in a process of finding my dosage limits. On my previous freebase trip - 3g felt plentiful enough... By itself, 3.5 isn't doing much. Will try 4g next time.

 

[Transform]

Keeping it very basic, couple of 30mins simmers, filtered and chilled. 210lbs body weight.

Admittedly - I'm in a process of finding my dosage limits. On my previous freebase trip - 3g felt plentiful enough... By itself, 3.5 isn't doing much. Will try 4g next time.

Yeah, there's something of a difference between getting an effective MAO-inhibiting dose level for oral activation of DMT, and getting to the point where you can experience what the rue is capable of in its own right, especially considering you weigh about 50% more than me. When I brew 3 g rue with three half-hour simmers it tends to be noticeable but not overwhelming.

Then there's a question of dietary factors, genetics and ones own personal cycles that may well influence the outcome of similar doses of rue at different times, not to mention variations in the quality of the rue itself.

Going on a 28+ day rue diet was something that really helped with dialling in what my personal dose should be while familiarising myself with its range of effects at all but the highest doses. There's apparently a tradition of a 40 day rue diet, which I also plan to do sometime in the upcoming months, not least because I no longer remember whether my 28+ day diet got as far as 40.

Anyhow, the point there being that it's a decent way of incrementally exploring the rue to find ones own preferred dosage levels, as well as encompassing the possibility of decreasing the dose once the point has been reached of noticing it might have got a bit much. Alas, its viability as a method may rather depend on having the time and circumstances available for it.