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Darkbb

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Is LSD considered an enthiogen since its kinda man made? Also has anybody have any troubles with lsd and drug tests. I only get tested once a month and sometimes less than that. I dought they test for any of the tryptamines, (for sure dmt and shrooms since i proved it months ago loL :) )
 
im pretty sure they cant test for lsd...i once knew a guy who got tested..and the only things he could take were acid and shrooms...he liked smoking weed..but had to settle for acid:p
 
Sweet. I think its great that the only drugs they don't test me for are the popular psychedelics
 
why do you get tested once a month?? i have never been tested before. and if they will - hahahahahaha.. - they will find things they have never heard of. they will be like: god damn!.. is that human blood?! it can't be! how can this person live?
 
Lorax, its probation. I have to go once a month for a alcohol blow and drug screen, its funny they waste money on an alcohol blow since it would be pretty easy to just not dring the last few days before you go and drop again lol.
 
LSD is an entheogen. That mushrooms and DMT are much more entheogenic can not be a serious objection.
Imagine that it would be possible for something to be 10 times more entheogenic than DMT...(imagining this would probably be the ultimate brain exercise)..that would not be an objection for calling DMT entheogenic, would it?
 
Of course LSD is an entheogen. Probably the one of the top three entheogens. Some people fail to see the divineness of mushrooms and mescaline but I think LSD's entheogenic properties are a little more obvious. Just look at how LSD has changed our planet in a positive way. I think erowid.org does not list LSD under entheogens because it does not occur naturally. LSD was discovered by man but it was not invented by man. Molecules such as LSD are keys and our brain is the door. Our brains have been pre-programmed to intercept psychoactive molecules and read those molecules like a blue print. As Albert Hofmann once put it, our brain is like a television. Just like a t.v. picks up signals from the air and reads the signals to produce an image on the screen, our brains intercept molecules and produce a specific effect. Psychoactives are simply neurotransmitters that exist outside of the body.
 
lorax said:
why do you get tested once a month?? i have never been tested before. and if they will - hahahahahaha.. - they will find things they have never heard of. they will be like: god damn!.. is that human blood?! it can't be! how can this person live?
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Hahahahaha I'd like to see their faces when they get the results :D hahaha

But about the LSD tests. I think there's a special test for LSD. And it's very expensive so it's not done unless there's a strong suspicion that you used it. But that's just what I think I read millions of years ago. So take it with a grain of salt, but maybe someone here can confirm.
 
I don't think LSD can be tested for. At least not when the ride is over. When you're still under the influence of it it might be different.
I was tested on drugs once, when i was still in high school. I had done peyote a week before, so i was a bit nervous. But they didn't find anything. When it's not a mainstream chemical, it's probably not profitable making tests for them, that can go back longer then a week.
Or maybe the typical entheogens are just more difficult to test for.
i mean, mescaline is an amphetamine-like compound, and they still didn't detect it, while i'm sure they DID test for speed.
 
lsd is excreted in the cerebral spinal fluid and drains into the spine. In a spinal tap if they got that .0005% of the spinal fluid with lsd in it... you would be fucked. with that said a spinal tap requirs you to consent and they arent gonna find that magical bit of spinal fluid
 
bonestoner said:
lsd is excreted in the cerebral spinal fluid and drains into the spine. In a spinal tap if they got that .0005% of the spinal fluid with lsd in it... you would be fucked. with that said a spinal tap requires you to consent and they arent gonna find that magical bit of spinal fluid
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Lsd is no different than other tryptamines, it leaves the body through urine and becomes untestable within a few days. Additionally, your spinal fluid is refreshed several times a day.
 
not to bring old topic up but i do not think so. and i know it hasnt been proven. there is no urine test that will test for lsd. it has however been detected in spinal fluid. and it is proven lsd is excreted about an hour after ingestion in the cerebral spinal fluid. i dont wanna say it but i think your talking out your hole on this one. but you may be correct. we will never know
 
LSD is extremely unstable and starts coming apart as soon as it enters your body. You may be able to detect traces of it for up to 24 hours after ingestion, but not much longer than that.

The drug is almost completely eliminated from the body before the peak effects begin, suggesting that it acts as a sort of catalyst, inducing neurochemical changes which subsequently result in the entheogenic experience. Only about 1-10% of injected LSD is excreted unaltered, the remainder as a variety of degradation products.
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Look here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml
 
It's possible that LSD's effects are not actually caused by LSD but caused by one of its break down products. That would help explain why the effects peak after most of it is already gone and help explain why the effects of the same batch of LSD can vary from person to person and even for the same exact person taking the same dose on different days. If its actually one of the break down products that's active and not LSD itself, then how it breaks down in the body would effect the trip experienced buy the user. It actually helps to explain a lot.

Sometimes people experience "strychnine" like effects from the same batch of LSD that seemed to be “pure” when taken on a different day. If some break down products of LSD are responsible for the "strychnine" like effects and others are responsible for the positive effects, that could help explain this unusual aspect of LSD changing it's effects. It could all be about metabolism.

Long ago SWIM passed around some hits of acid from the same sheet of acid and some people felt "strychnine" like effects from it while others said the acid was extremely pure and pleasant. If break down products are responsible for the effects of LSD, how LSD breaks down in any given individual at any given time would likely vary. Given that hypothesis, it would make sense that some people’s metabolisms would break down the LSD differently, and might get "strychnine" like effects from it, while others with their different metabolisms might break down the LSD into compounds with more pleasant effects.

It makes a lot of sense to me. I’m willing to bet that it’s NOT LSD but it’s break down compounds that make you trip. Considering the fact that most of the LSD is gone before you even reach the peak effects, seems to indicate that it’s the break down products and not the LSD itself that are effective in making you trip.
 
Ron so what you said about lsd's by products that cause the effects got me thinkin what would happen if it was possible to aquire the by-products without injesting LSD and then administering that do you think that it could have any affects
 
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