Making a Ipomoea snuff or sublingual paste

[norcereus]

Hi I have been reading and thinking a lot lately about the lsa seeds, and how to use them. I guess the tried and tested method of drinking the cold infused tea is a good way, although with side effects. But I have seen that a topic on this forum about snuffed hbwr seeds, he did not use any lime to potentiate the snuff, but apparently it was a strong trip.
I only have ipomoea seeds so I started thinking if that could be used. and if the amount that have to be used is to big why not use both intranasal and sublingual administration simultaneously, it would bring more of the actives in to the blood at the same time.

Some of our favorite herbs are notoriusly hard to use orally, and usually large amounts is not taken in to the blood but go straight trough our system. thus smoking, snuffing or sublingual use to prefer with them. might the ipomoea seeds also be in this category, so that a snuff/sublingual preparation is better. smoking is out of the question due to instability issues.

An idea for a snuff

10g seeds(as fresh as possible is ground finely in a mortar)
1g lime(calsinated) or 1g ash(of some magical herb) is added to the seed pulp and ground more
add enough lime/ash to get desired consistency(drying may decrease potency)

To use: snuff a smal amount or as much as you can take, and take a larger amount(2-3 times as much) sublingualy(if the snuff is dry ad a drop of spitt and make a paste)
I have not tryed this so it is still hypothetical and may not work, but I plan on trying it some time soon.

The snuff should probably not be stored for any length of time

any comments or ideas is most welcome

 

[hierophant]

I imagine snuffing them would be very painful and probably bad for the nasal passages, so i would be careful with that, but i haven't tried it and most methods of ingesting the seeds contain some level of discomfort.

 

[norcereus]

Well I made some of this snuff last night, and being as I am, I did no weighing or any thing.
gues it does not matter to much with this herb. I took about tree times 13 seeds(without counting, might be more) and crushed them respectfully in a mortar. I burned some cannabis stems for ash and mixed the two ingredients. I crushed it some more and put it in a medicine jar. then I tried about a pea sized pile intranasal, it burned a little more than tobacco but not too bad and it lasted the same length of time as tobacco snuff. deciding that it could be done, I took a little bigger amount in both nostrils.

It tastes a little like cubensis mushrooms in a strange way, and the snuff was definitively psychoactive at that dose. but I was not very psychedelic. I had some cannabis in the system so it was difficult to decide what was the weed and what was the effect of the snuff. but there was a definitive body load and a tight head band feeling, not to uncomfortable at this dose.

I did some today also. This time I dosed about two pea's in each nostril and about a teaspoon under my upper lip.
for the wet-snuff I just mixed the powder with a drop of spit and made a nice ball to put in under the lip. The effects of this was more noticeable but still not really psychedelic, more hypnotic, but it lasted a long time and went trough different stages. It made sense to me that this may be used as a step in the shamans training before working with mushrooms. there is something that reminds me of tobacco intoxication and there is many similarity to the mushroom's effects especially the body load.

all in all it was pleasurable and though provoking, definitively worth doing again. But it wont be to often either, the snuff thing makes it to uncomfortable to be more than a novel way to do "shamanic" work. It does seem to give some intelligent insights, and have so mild "mind" effects, atleast at this dose level and method of administration, to be a more forgiving entheogen than the mushroom. But not to forget, it wields effects within its powers to punish the unweary and foolish seeker:wink:

 

[Ginkgo]

Hmm, interesting experiment! I think I once read something about snorting HBWR, but I never got to try it. Very good to have people like you that does that sort of experiments! I've awarded you a full membership, which I think is well deserved.

Have fun and stay safe,
Evening Glory