Making changa with shredded B. Caapi (not leaves)

[TheCrimsonElephant]

Thank you for the replies

I would like to second the idea however, that ingesting harmalas will be more intense than smoalking them and then adding DMT. However, the nature of the experience is different too because of the ROA of the harmalas.

How would this work in order to use orally harmala alkaloids from b. caapi shredded vine ? Would I just need to make a tea ? Or do a similar soaking and reducing method as with aya ?

 

[Animistic]

Thank you for the replies


How would this work in order to use orally harmala alkaloids from b. caapi shredded vine ? Would I just need to make a tea ? Or do a similar soaking and reducing method as with aya ?

I'm not Void but my 2c..

Yep make a tea. Dose range is pretty wide and depends on potency and brewing thoroughness. Anywhere from 20-100g of caapi orally would potentiate smoked DMT I would say. If you're new to harmalas explore them by themselves first imo.

3 washes, then reduce washes down to manageable amount. For a single dose I would aim for between 80-100ml. Of making more doses you could go less but you'd have some small loss, which isn't a big deal for multiple brews but for a single dose isn't ideal.

Some more info at this thread: Low Dose DMT, High Dose Harmala Thread

 

[Voidmatrix]

Honestly, if I were you, I'd try to just get some rue. It's cheap, available (depending on your country), and easier to prepare while also requiring less material.

Otherwise, what @TheAwakening said

One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

What solvent do you use to dissolve the harmalas? Acetone? I have a bunch of freshly harvested caapi leaf I could infuse some extracted rue onto.

I also really love rue. It has a wonderous meditative spirit.

I just use everclear or isopropyl. Evervlear preserves the floral scent of the spice and herbs better but sometimes I'm in a hurry.

I definitely agree. It's a pretty regular starring guest in my meditations.

One love

 

[Animistic]

I would really tend to agree with Void, rue is easier to prep in every single way due to smaller amounts of plant material. 1-5g rather than 50-100g, so cook times are reduced, water amounts are reduced and at 1-5g doses it lends itself nicely to encapsulating which is my preferred method at this time. I think caapi is best used in Ayahuasca/Anahuasca due to the time invested in prep.

I'm nearly back on the tarmac with my most recent brew, would be like 48 hrs prep time in total I reckon, that is for roughly 20 brews but still, it's a lot of time and gas.

 

[TheCrimsonElephant]

Yep make a tea. Dose range is pretty wide and depends on potency and brewing thoroughness. Anywhere from 20-100g of caapi orally would potentiate smoked DMT I would say. If you're new to harmalas explore them by themselves first imo.

3 washes, then reduce washes down to manageable amount. For a single dose I would aim for between 80-100ml. Of making more doses you could go less but you'd have some small loss, which isn't a big deal for multiple brews but for a single dose isn't ideal.

Some more info at this thread: Low Dose DMT, High Dose Harmala Thread

Thank you for the precious informations.

I'll wait to have rue to try smoked DMT + IMAO and I'll keep caapi for ayahuasca because I don't have much and I want to make something "special" of it.


Thank you all for your insights, I can now see clearer through these different plant materials, it was a bit confusing for me at first.
Have a nice day

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Thank you for the precious informations.

I'll wait to have rue to try smoked DMT + IMAO and I'll keep caapi for ayahuasca because I don't have much and I want to make something "special" of it.


Thank you all for your insights, I can now see clearer through these different plant materials, it was a bit confusing for me at first.
Have a nice day

I have made a 4x extraction of Caapi leaves. Many water boils and one Vodka boil reduced down and applied to 1/4 of the original material. Unmodified Caapi leaf was pretty weak but this gives a definite effect with many inhalations, like 6 or so. (too many, but it works for now)
I have yet to do an alkaloid extract of my 4x but that is on the short list. (and seems rather easy, just precipitating in H2O) Shouldn't be too hard to make this product usable with just a few inhalations after alkaloid extracting some of it. We'll see.
Caapi leaf is not too expensive. If I had it to do over i would make "Caapi hash". There's a thread about "Rue hash"