Master Of Plants suspension

[The Traveler]

Hello all,

Master Of Plants has been suspended for a long time.

The last time I decided to suspend a user for a long time this resulted in some flak going my way. So this time I decided to be all open about it and tell you the story behind a suspension.

When Master Of Plants came to this board he quickly got the attention of the mods by his behavior: many incoherent posts with no direction. In the beginning I thought it was entertaining to read but after a while it became more and more the same all off the time. When his posts got more attention from other members his posts became bolder, sometimes even insulting to other people...

The road to suspension
He was warned for this behavior and was asked not to do it again. After this PM he went on to do the same thing again. This resulted in his first suspension for two days.

After these two days he came back and showed no real change in behavior, again some PM's were exchanged and after a few days he was suspended again, this time for two weeks...

Two weeks passed and I hoped he had learned from his suspension, I already send him a PM why he was suspended, how he should adapt his behavior and a warning included that if he didn't change he would be suspended for a long time.

Later he PM-ed me with the question what exact behavior was bad, I gave him these reasons (again):
* No respect to other people
* Ironic 'jokes'
* One liner posts
* Incoherent posts
* Flooding the forum

He returned a PM in which he disagrees with the accusations. I asked him to explain why he disagrees with me and I got a return PM that showed me some information that tipped the balance to suspend him for a long time.
To quote MOP: "I am a trickster, a ioculator. This is why I must do, even with the use of irony, do the jokes."

This gave me the idea that he is either one of these two possibilities: 1. A troll or 2. A person in mental distress.

For the troll I think it's clear why they shouldn't be on the DMT-Nexus. A person in mental distress however is something else. Some people with mental distress can really be helped by this community, there is even a special section for this. A person in mental distress however must have some motivation to be helped or else you can't help them. If there is no progress or even a decline I think it's time to cut the lines.

I'm afraid MOP is a person with no progress at all and even a decline. It might be better for him to stay away from the internet at all.

In the end I'm still having a bit of doubt with his suspension since it might be we could help him in some other way to seek help (if he really isn't a troll and needs help). I hope I did the right thing.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[smokeydaze]

Fair enough, I can understand and sympathies with your decision.

However I don't think he has an illness but is simply what he states himself as - a trickster. I found his posts great and thought he definitely had a certain direction and meaning behind his incoherence (most of the time), although the vast majority of instances this would lend no viable contribution to discussions which the community on a whole could profit from. He would distinctly represent what was not represented and in the context of DMT discussion that's something definitely relative and needed but not all the time appreciated or understood, as everyone has different eyes. To many his gibberish (dmt?) would only berate their quest for knowledge, resulting in not a unique expression but a ruthless troll.

I for one would love to meet him as I feel he definitely knows about the mystics behind DMT and its relation to us, but then again how do you know someone knows something about something that no one really knows.

Your deceiving humor will be missed by few.

 

[endlessness]

I think its fair... I personally tried sending several pm's to him, made very big posts to him trying to ask for him to contribute, to explain himself more, and so on..

As I said to him, he is just as valuable as a living person as anybody else. This is not against him as an individual, but he needs to understand that this is a forum marked by intelligent and reasonable discussions between members. There are several other forums around where he probably wouldnt be minded, like shroomery, for example..

I dont want to sound judgemental, im a very very accepting person and dont like to exclude people. But I seriously think it was not contributing at all, and also wasnt doing him any good to be here either.

Maybe its a good thing for him to take a break and see in life what else there is appart from dmt, 2012 and mckenna. I hold no bad feelings to him as a person and wish peace to his soul, as to all souls.

 

[Jorkest]

while he was fairly harmless..i was getting tired of his incoherent and contradictory posts...he would say one thing in one thread...and then say the opposite in another...he made many claims that he could never backup...and he would almost spam one liners all over the forum...sometimes derailing a thread...and most of the time i would just skip over any thread he had posted in..possibly missing good info because i didnt feel like reading his gibberish...and i dont think his incoherence came from dmt..because from some of his posts it doesnt sound like hes ever even done it..not saying that you have had to have done dmt to be here...but it just felt like he was lying and deceiving..and i have no time for that

 

[69ron]

I did not get anything of any value out of his posts. There was no new information given, no interesting points of view, and not even a level of entertainment value. I did not see the point of any of it. I fail to understand why someone would spend time writing those one-liners when everyone is obviously getting irritated by it.

At any rate, I didn't find any of his posts to be worth my time to read.

 

[ohayoco]

It's a tough job that you have, Traveler, but I definitely think you did the right thing.
MoP has said in his 'language' thread that he did lie about being a DMT shaman. If that's sarcasm, then that only means he lied when he said the only entheogen he uses is weed. Either way, it's disappointing.

To Master of Plants- I would agree that if you want to carry on as you do, you'll find a lot of people in the Shroomery who are into that kind of thing.
If you are truly wanting to try ayawaska, then research yourself and go for it. The ayahuasca forums (see the Nexus links page) has a good set of instructions for beginners. Remember that it is risky if you do have a tendency towards, or family history of, certain mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. If you have such problems, to be safe I'd have to say talk to your doctor instead. Think carefully before commiting to aya- it can't be taken lightly. Research, research, research. And best of luck for the future

 

[psychosisdoses]

his posts were rubbish and cluttered the forum i say get rid of dead weight
good looking out traveler you did the right thing

 

[Bill Cipher]

Oh. My. God.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.

I can feel the collective I.Q. of the nexus instantly jump 30 points.

 

[psychosisdoses]

I can feel the collective I.Q. of the nexus instantly jump 30 points.

i concur i mean i love randomness just as much as the next guy... but come on this is a place for serious discussions and he would just go muddling things up.. good riddance imo

 

[WSaged]

MoP was a turd...
A Cyber-casualty.
Even being anonymous couldn't hide that.

Travler, I know you don't want to have to be the guy has to do that kind of thing, but do not feel bad, in this case you are not the bad guy!!

He wasted our time.

WS

 

['Coatl]

I really, really disliked this member... and I don't really dislike ANYBODY!

I'm glad he is gone, but I'd say give him another chance one day. Everybody deserves a second chance!

I'm afraid MOP is a person with no progress at all and even a decline. It might be better for him to stay away from the internet at all.

I feel really bad for him (kinda)... is there anyway you can restrict his account so he can only post in a single thread? Maybe we could have a "Master of Plants" thread (which I think we already do) and that will be the only thread he can post in until he can learn to act correctly.

 

[WSaged]

[quote='Coatl]I really, really disliked this member... and I don't really dislike ANYBODY!
I'm glad he is gone, but I'd say give him another chance one day. Everybody deserves a second chance!

I'm afraid MOP is a person with no progress at all and even a decline. It might be better for him to stay away from the internet at all.

I feel really bad for him (kinda)... is there anyway you can restrict his account so he can only post in a single thread? Maybe we could have a "Master of Plants" thread (which I think we already do) and that will be the only thread he can post in until he can learn to act correctly.
[/quote]

Wouldn't that just feed his psychosis?
When you have a child that is throwing a temper tantrum, the worst thing you can do is pay attention to the tantrum.
That's just negative reinforcement of the behavior.
I'm glad the Travler sent him to his room, without supper.

When MoP first showed up, I tried to be respectful & ask him for more details, or reasons for his weird posts, so did a lot of other people.
He had neither to give.
Just more of the same nonsensical BS.
He was not here to learn anything, or share anything.
He just wanted some attention.:roll:
It's too bad he had to get his attention from being a dipshit!!
So I started to ignore & just skip over his litter whenever he dropped it on our discussions.

I think MoP would love to have his own thread.
Hell, he started one for himself, Me-Mine-I-Me-Me-I-Me-Myspace style...

WS

 

[ohayoco]

[quote='Coatl]I really, really disliked this member... and I don't really dislike ANYBODY![/quote]
Have a shroomy day!

 

[nibpack]

As a new member of this forum I have become very impressed by the informative, intelligent, and more importantly, brilliant innovation shown by everyone here at DMT Nexus. But after seeing a post where MOP ridicules a fellow artists work because it's 'ironic' to do so(I must have skipped class the day irony was explained) well, I was a little shocked at how out of place a complete asshole like him really is here. Let him bug another forum for a time.

 

[Bill Cipher]

This is such a PC crowd around here. Myself, I'm not so evolved. I couldn't be happier to see Master of Bedwetting sent on his infantile way. He stunk up the site with his one-liner posts, contributed NOTHING of value, annoyed, annoyed and annoyed some more, and is clearly either a) underage, or b) delusional and unstable.

Peace, love and tolerance are certainly all wonderful things to aspire to, but I'm with my cranky friend Warren on this one. A turd is a turd is a turd.

 

[obliguhl]

I think he was a troll. Can't say I'm sad about the decision. He more than once got me annoyed.

 

[DMTripper]

I don't care his gone and I don't think The Traveller had to explain anything.

And now life goes on

 

[amor_fati]

Yeah, nothing to feel bad about. He was quite disruptive, whatever the reasons behind it.

 

[psychosisdoses]

As a new member of this forum I have become very impressed by the informative, intelligent, and more importantly, brilliant innovation shown by everyone here at DMT Nexus. But after seeing a post where MOP ridicules a fellow artists work because it's 'ironic' to do so(I must have skipped class the day irony was explained) well, I was a little shocked at how out of place a complete asshole like him really is here. Let him bug another forum for a time.

word i was appalled... it was soooo out of character of this forum..
good riddance to bad rubbish..

 

['Coatl]

Have a shroomy day!

O god.... ok your right, I dislike 1 single person out of the 1000s of people I have met online.

I don't care his gone and I don't think The Traveller had to explain anything.

I think it's important for the mods to tell us when the ban somebody... you know, so we don't think they are dead or in jail (hey it's happened before)!