Mathematical constants...can they change?

[seven7seven]

I've had this thought for quite some time now. And I'm more and more sure of it everyday, so I think I'll share with you all, I would like to hear feedback (especially from a mathematician).

So hear it is:
-Paradigm shifts change mathematical constants
-observing truth changes it
-DMT is a tool that facilitates paradigm shifts (i think through worm holes)

what do you all think of my ideas?

 

[Runes]

I guess DMT can be a tool which lets paradigms shift.

But, honestly, I don't see the connection to mathematical constants like Pi or e. They are more a matter of definition. What exactly do you mean?

 

[seven7seven]

I think the endogenous DMT mediates mathematical constants in our minds. When the DMT is ingested (DMT is the truth) and DMT levels rise the constants change and a wormhole opens (or a wormhole opens first, then the constants change, not sure yet). Just an idea, but I need feedback.

 

[elru]

Constants are things which don't change. That's why they're called constants.

 

[seven7seven]

Right, constants are constant till a paradigm shift. Think Newton vs. Einstein vs. Hawking (not sure if this is the best example).

 

[jamie]

Constants are things which don't change. That's why they're called constants.

only as far as we are willing to bet that our reality itself is infinitaly constant, which wouldnt really make any rational sense at all..to even ask the question is to bring to the surface a sort of fundamental existential crisis. The idea of a constant is a sort of catch 22..it implies a closed system, which would require some sort of previous regulator/generator of such a system as well..and then one has to ask if the supposed "constant" is really just that, or simply the product of an ongoing sort of evolution which just happened to manifest the way it has in this time now. We just dont know, but to me these sort of ideas always bring me to the realization that NOTHING is rational..rationality is a delusion. A useful delusion I admit.

 

[Runes]

I think the endogenous DMT mediates mathematical constants in our minds.

Thats an interesting point. Bringing something abstract into a subjective and concrete meaning in the context of your consciousness might be a valuable effect of DMT.

When the DMT is ingested (DMT is the truth) and DMT levels rise the constants change and a wormhole opens (or a wormhole opens first, then the constants change, not sure yet). Just an idea, but I need feedback.

No offence intended, but my spontaneous feedback is: This is just complete nonsense....

DMT is the truth

Why is that?

Maybe its just your momentary truth. Such statements always make me sceptical.
(Others claim that Jesus is the truth.)

 

[seven7seven]

When the DMT is ingested (DMT is the truth) and DMT levels rise the constants change and a wormhole opens (or a wormhole opens first, then the constants change, not sure yet). Just an idea, but I need feedback.

No offence intended, but my spontaneous feedback is: This is just complete nonsense....

DMT is the truth

Why is that?

Maybe its just your momentary truth. Such statements always make me sceptical.
(Others claim that Jesus is the truth.)

hehe, yeah the wormhole sounds out there, but it makes sense to me.

As for the truth being DMT, you are exactly right. Like I said the truth changes when it is observed. So it could be a different truth for different people, and at different times and spaces, and it can be different things too. I am not claiming DMT is the ONLY truth, just my truth right now..

 

[Laban Shrewsbury III]

Precisely what are you referring to when you use the term 'wormhole'? And just how distinguishable is it from the mental phenomenon called imagination?

 

[seven7seven]

'In physics, a wormhole is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that would be, fundamentally, a "shortcut" through spacetime' (from wikipedia)

I mean this exactly. This explains the time dilation perceived while on DMT.

Why should imagination be separate concept from reality anyway?

 

[ewok]

even if i imagine my dog as a cat, in reality he still is a dog.

 

[easyrider]

even if i imagine my dog as a cat, in reality he still is a dog.

The question of whether consensus reality is the only absolute reality is a tough one. I'm skeptical of our perceived reality since I don't quite trust perception. Just as reptiles sense things solely based on heat, our human perception could be limited in ways we never thought of and we wouldn't even know it.

As to the original poster's question, I'm not incredibly knowledgeable of the axioms and technicalities of mathematics; but I subscribe to the belief that there are no absolutes. So, that would apply to all fields, making mathematical absolutes obsolete.

 

[Laban Shrewsbury III]

'In physics, a wormhole is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that would be, fundamentally, a "shortcut" through spacetime' (from wikipedia)

I mean this exactly. This explains the time dilation perceived while on DMT.

Why should imagination be separate concept from reality anyway?

So, if this phenomenon is occurring in space-time, it ought to physically measurable. Do you have any evidence whatsoever to corroborate the existence of this supposed wormhole?

If not, then I fail to see the point in discussing it as nothing valid can be said of it one way or another.

Imagination should be a separate concept from reality when communicating with other people, lest one wish to appear a lunatic or a liar. If we all just blather random nonsense we've made up, worthwhile discussion is unlikely.

 

[Elf Machine]

Seven7seven, you might want to read up on Rupert Sheldrakes theories. He believes there's a good possibility that physical constants actually do change. Our measurments of c for example have changed since we first measured it. The thing is, the data we've collected for c doesn't cluster around a point like we would expect as our instruments have gotten more accurate. Instead, the records show c getting faster over the years.

 

[ewok]

even if i imagine my dog as a cat, in reality he still is a dog.

The question of whether consensus reality is the only absolute reality is a tough one. I'm skeptical of our perceived reality since I don't quite trust perception. Just as reptiles sense things solely based on heat, our human perception could be limited in ways we never thought of and we wouldn't even know it.

As to the original poster's question, I'm not incredibly knowledgeable of the axioms and technicalities of mathematics; but I subscribe to the belief that there are no absolutes. So, that would apply to all fields, making mathematical absolutes obsolete.

i don't believe our reality is the true or only reality but imagining something is differen't doesn't mean it's reality.

 

[dreamtimereturn]

I think the endogenous DMT mediates mathematical constants in our minds. When the DMT is ingested (DMT is the truth) and DMT levels rise the constants change and a wormhole opens (or a wormhole opens first, then the constants change, not sure yet). Just an idea, but I need feedback.

Right, constants are constant till a paradigm shift. Think Newton vs. Einstein vs. Hawking (not sure if this is the best example).

that random different equation that keeps popping up, the one that's harder to explain.

are you talking about the idea that 'yes observing truth changes it' ? but think about almost replacing the word truth with time, depending on the frame of mind you're in are you describing 'wormhole/time travel -almost'?

"Why should imagination be separate concept from reality anyway?"
agreed, ..spacetime

 

[easyrider]

even if i imagine my dog as a cat, in reality he still is a dog.

The question of whether consensus reality is the only absolute reality is a tough one. I'm skeptical of our perceived reality since I don't quite trust perception. Just as reptiles sense things solely based on heat, our human perception could be limited in ways we never thought of and we wouldn't even know it.

As to the original poster's question, I'm not incredibly knowledgeable of the axioms and technicalities of mathematics; but I subscribe to the belief that there are no absolutes. So, that would apply to all fields, making mathematical absolutes obsolete.

i don't believe our reality is the true or only reality but imagining something is differen't doesn't mean it's reality.

Well, then I'd concur with you on that to some degree. Perhaps in a different reality, imaginable things instantaneously become part of reality.

 

[dreamtimereturn]

'In physics, a wormhole is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that would be, fundamentally, a "shortcut" through spacetime' (from wikipedia)

I mean this exactly. This explains the time dilation perceived while on DMT.

Why should imagination be separate concept from reality anyway?

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So, if this phenomenon is occurring in space-time, it ought to physically measurable. Do you have any evidence whatsoever to corroborate the existence of this supposed wormhole?



If not, then I fail to see the point in discussing it as nothing valid can be said of it one way or another.

Imagination should be a separate concept from reality when communicating with other people, lest one wish to appear a lunatic or a liar. If we all just blather random nonsense we've made up, worthwhile discussion is unlikely.

i think this has something to do with rolling up your sleeves and trying to answer yourown questions, what is space-time exactly and what is time? i don't think we should alway first-instinct demand proof something that we can't explain ourselves such as time (or anything reasonable) to be put forth as evidence to curious speculations, i too have these speculations, you can't move far if no one can honestly stand up and explain space-time, i mean did i miss something?! What is time? its fleating, its in the moment, you only have your memory and your perception. i'm getting worked up here and now and i don't mean to, it been an emotional few days, i just want to know time, sometimes when i'm sober and concentrate i'm able to make 20 minutes feel like two hours and suprise myself even because i never know when i'm doing it, it actually feels like i move around depending on what i think about and when i snap out of it. i have moments that i'm completely somewhere elseshock: )??? but so often and so light i often don't realise it until i try to focus on whatever thought i was having before, and only the ideas brought through seem to matter, or be obvious in the way things 'come about' i work with instinct, mental instinct, have you felt this movement through time? anyone. when you enjoy yourself or when you're not, moving ? time? feeling? Opinions!?

 

[ewok]

even if i imagine my dog as a cat, in reality he still is a dog.

The question of whether consensus reality is the only absolute reality is a tough one. I'm skeptical of our perceived reality since I don't quite trust perception. Just as reptiles sense things solely based on heat, our human perception could be limited in ways we never thought of and we wouldn't even know it.

As to the original poster's question, I'm not incredibly knowledgeable of the axioms and technicalities of mathematics; but I subscribe to the belief that there are no absolutes. So, that would apply to all fields, making mathematical absolutes obsolete.

i don't believe our reality is the true or only reality but imagining something is differen't doesn't mean it's reality.

Well, then I'd concur with you on that to some degree. Perhaps in a different reality, imaginable things instantaneously become part of reality.

Sounds like my LSD experience's often my thoughts/imagination became a very very real part of my reality.

 

[Citta]

Mathematical constants, unlike the physical ones, are defined independently of physical observations and measurements. And as somebody else here said, they are far more about reasonable definitions then they are anything else.

Physical constants however, are generally believed to be numerical constants derived from experiment and measurement that are universal, and, well - constant. Now it has been speculated that these might change, for example in proportion to the age of the universe, but it is disputed whether or not these microscopic changes are operationally significant.