MDMA like state through meditation

[jiva]

Hi everyone,

recently i learnd i could recreate at least part of the MDMA state through a very simple meditation technique.

a week ago at a festival i was at the healing area where there is an evening prayer before the live music there starts.
part of that prayer was a simple mediation where you sit straight and make yourself aware of the ground. imagine a little thread pulling the top of your head slightly upwards.
Imagine your consciousness within your head and then let the imaginary boarder of your skill disapear and extend yourself out, open up. do not focus on one thing just let your mind wonder and stay open...


this was the night before we had to go home again, so as a responsible driver, i was sober that evening. but when i did that i started to feel the same way i had the night before on MDMA. For me the best part about MDMA is a feeling in my chest that opens up and pulls me forward at the same time. it is not the driving feeling you get at the dance floor, but the "feeling loved and love" part of the MDMA experience.
So there i sit with this going on...
since i was at a festival i had smoked a lot of weed and done MDMA the days before i decided to just enjoy the experience and think about it later.

Now more than a week later. i can still do this small meditation and i get the same feeling.

has anyone of you ever heard of something like that?

my thought on why this could work would be, maybe the MDMA experience and the meditation are linked in my brain and i can now recall it with this...

 

[fathomlessness]

I remember Sam Harris talking about how his MDMA experience of his youth were identical to his long meditation retreats. I think u can find it here or something similar:

 

[BundleflowerPower]

This is going to perhaps sound crazy, but I think you can experience the effect of any drug while meditating simply by by intending to experience that.

 

[dragonrider]

I can, by meditation, reach a very mild MDMA-like state. But it's not realy on the same level as MDMA. Much milder. More like kanna or something. It's mostly the serotonergic part of the MDMA experience though. I've never felt that dopamine and noradrenaline related euphoria with meditation.

 

[WisdomTooth]

Psychedelics IMO are basically here to show us what we can already do and what we are on our own.
If you couldn't then the reaction wouldn't work or we wouldn't have those chemicals in our bodies for the reaction to occur in the first place.

When i used to meditate daily and focus on a general healthy/happy lifestyle, after about 2-3months i was in that MDMA-Like state all the time. I had this natural high where i never thought i would need to consume cannabis again. It was much more alert and beautiful. The only reason i lost my way is due to a toxic relationship.

I think Meditation is more of a gradual thing you learn with more permanent results as where Psychedelics are more of an emergency situation/quick healing when one has lost all hope.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

For the last few months I have been having dreams, very realistic dreams, in fact so much so to the point that I'm unaware that I'm dreaming, and in these dreams I take MDMA, and I actually feel it...the strange part is its instant, in the dream I remember eating the MDMA (last night it was colored gummy bears, usually it's pressed pills) then I feel it, and I tell the person there "is it strange if I already feel it?"...I'm not sure why it did not register that gummy bear MDMA doesn't exist, and I'm not sure why the fact that it takes ahold instantly didn't alert me that I was dreaming, but for what ever reason I'm convinced it's real when it's happening...and the experience is great, it's like pure MDMA...

I also have psilocybin dreams...

Once I had a dream I ate mushrooms, and I was looking at the stars, and the sky was doing this translucent moving fractal thing that I experience on psilocybin in real life...it was intense, then I wake up.
I smoke a cigarette and some cannabis and go back to sleep.
In the next dream I'm talking to a friend, and I'm describing the amazing psilocybin experience I just had (being fully unaware of the waking world)...

My dreams interconnected in a strange way in this case...

I also have DMT dreams...

In one dream I was on a prison bus, I was an inmate, I was handcuffed to the seat. The inmate next to me gives me the creepiest smile I have ever seen and shows me that his hands are free, he somehow got his cuffs off, then he pulls out a gun and fires a few shots down the bus hitting the driver in the head, the windshield of the bus is splattered red in blood and brain matter and the driver is obviously dead, the bus swerved off the inner state, breaking a barrier off a bridge, tumbling down a steep slope, and into a river, the entire time I'm cuffed to my seat screaming and trying to free my self, I feel the bus topple and watch in horror as a see the river get closer and closer to my window as the bus falls, it hits with a hard crash, then begins to fill with muddy brown river water, it's cold, and I can taste it in my mouth and sinuses, (you know how when you jump in a lake you get the lake taste and smell in your mouth and sinuses, it was just like that, it was very realistic)..i could feel the water fill my lungs very painfully, I remember inhaling and feeling my lungs fill with water...I slowly drowned...then I'm in a DMT flash, it feels like I had actually smoked DMT, and since I'm not aware that I'm dreaming, I think that I'm actually dead, just like on actual DMT...

Every time I die in my sleep it induces an experience indistinguishable from smoked DMT... and it happens fairly often...before I had smoked DMT, I would wake up rather than die, now I die (in my dream) and suffer a DMT flash...

Terence mckenna describes "dream DMT" in a quite different manner, in his case he actually dreams of smoking the DMT, and it works...

One of the things that interests me about dreams is this -- I have dreams in which I smoke DMT, and it works. To me that's extremely interesting, because it seems to imply that one does not have to smoke DMT to have the experience. You only have to convince your brain that you have done this, and it then delivers this staggering altered state.

HT: Wow.

TM: How many people who have had DMT dream occasionally of smoking it and have it happen? Do people who have never had DMT ever have that kid of an experience in a dream? I bet not. I bet you have to have done it in life, to have established the knowledge of its existence, and the image of how it's possible, but then this thing can happen to you without any chemical intervention. -terence mckenna

I think mckenna is right, once your brain is fully aware the experience exists, once you have smoked DMT, you can have it in a dream, possibly through neuroplasticity your brain is able to replicate the neurological pathways of a DMT flash, or perhaps endogenous DMT does play a role in the dream state...who knows...I only not believe it because it happens to me, though not in the same manner as mckenna describes...



-eg