mental illness and psychadelics

[Leon Trout]

Any doctor who went trough the pains of medical school is very unlikely to risk his license and jail time for the sake of a patient.

while this is for the most part true, there are exceptions... i saw a methadone doctor several years ago who operates in areas where he is not allowed to because he feels the work is important... his (very underground, at least when i was a patient) clinic is very legit, he is not just handing out dope... damn good man, he risks his license (life?) to help others who would not otherwise be able to seek treatment... his willingness to do so saved my life...

that said, i'm still pretty sure that if there be any shrinks using psychedelics renegade style they are few and far between...

 

[TheBridge]

Is it possible in some countries, like possibly Portugal, that this common sense approach is now legal? It also wouldn't shock me if Rick Strassman's government-condoned DMT research inspired a "professional" here and there. I mean, didnt MDMA originally sprout from marriage therapy?

I understand the site has rules, and for good reason. However I also have seen the many people traveling great distances for aya healings and admit that is a big part of what drew me to it, and subsequently to this site to learn more about how to properly approach it. Even though my situation isn't exactly the same as the OP's, I can empathize with them and feel a great deal of compassion for them.

It pains me to see this kind of discord when all parties involved are well meaning. I do appreciate any feedback, and want to point out a relative of mine printed out an email I sent them and asked their therapist if they would look at it, and they said they could clearly see my particular abnormality in my writing. I just wanted to throw in some real-life experience to at least partly give credence to what the gentleman earlier in the thread was getting at, whether or not he was correct. I won't recommend anything one way or the other, but I would be very interested in hearing what the OP decides.

 

[JourneyToJah]

I'll ask him about the Institute that he got his accreditation from, I forgot the name. He has a background as a shaman with the Lakota indians and with the Maya Atillans. He now needs one more accreditation do be able to work fully on the subject.

Also, he told me about a seminary or some sort with the theme of releasing DMT through breathing teks and meditation.

Ill come back with more info when I can.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I highly doubt the above and it sounds like a fairy tale to me. Any doctor who went trough the pains of medical school is very unlikely to risk his license and jail time for the sake of a patient...Furthermore, psychedelics were banned almost 50 years ago. What you're saying here is that generations of doctors passed on the 'secret' , father to son, risking it all just to help their patients. Yeah, right !

It seems to me that there's a rather argumentative tone here, perhaps carried over from a different thread...

Not all psychedelics were banned 50 years ago. Look at the amazing work that was being done with MDMA legally a scant 30 years ago. Additionally, you don't need to have the knowledge passed down from "father to son". My father certainly didn't pass it down to me, so why a physician could only know about or be interested in psychedelic therapy as a result of this sort of arrangement eludes me.

I know of at least one local physician who is in the process of essentially dropping his medical practice and increasing the amount of ayahuasca ceremonies he's leading. And I've heard tell of other professionals engaged with or undertaking underground psychedelic research/therapy.

 

[JourneyToJah]

This is where he got his creds for psilo work : Heffter Research Institute | Advancing Psilocybin Research

Hope this helps.

EDIT: he cleared it up for me - in case of psichosis it is not recommended to take hallucinogens. Also, I encouraged him to join and share some knowledge with us. He will be with us shortly

 

[Macho Mapacho]

Neil Goldsmith Phd has written a good up-to-date book on psychedelic therapy if anyone is interested

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

I highly doubt the above and it sounds like a fairy tale to me. Any doctor who went trough the pains of medical school is very unlikely to risk his license and jail time for the sake of a patient. On top of that, the faster you cure them, the faster you lose them (as patients). And it's not exactly like you can encourage people to go tell their friends and families about what you're doing.

Furthermore, psychedelics were banned almost 50 years ago. What you're saying here is that generations of doctors passed on the 'secret' , father to son, risking it all just to help their patients. Yeah, right !

I was at a presentation about it, where some psychiatrists talked about it in modest detail.
You should look into it.

I have also met people who went into medical school with this in mind!

 

[tango]

I think part of it is true. There are still psychiatrists who treat their patients with psychedelics but i think its really rare and there isnt some kind of underground scene.

Check this:

@ 38 minutes.

Some doctor doing LSD therapy. Nevertheless you should watch the whole video

The woman being treated with LSD has terminal cancer.

It seems to me that there's a rather argumentative tone here, perhaps carried over from a different thread...

Not all psychedelics were banned 50 years ago. Look at the amazing work that was being done with MDMA legally a scant 30 years ago. Additionally, you don't need to have the knowledge passed down from "father to son". My father certainly didn't pass it down to me, so why a physician could only know about or be interested in psychedelic therapy as a result of this sort of arrangement eludes me.

I know of at least one local physician who is in the process of essentially dropping his medical practice and increasing the amount of ayahuasca ceremonies he's leading. And I've heard tell of other professionals engaged with or undertaking underground psychedelic research/therapy.

It's rather from my experience with physicians in general... Then again, 'highly unlikely' doesn't mean 'impossible' . Regarding how long various compounds have been banned, does it really matter whether it's 30 or 50 or 5 years? If they catch you with it today, the consequences are the same.

I was at a presentation about it, where some psychiatrists talked about it in modest detail.
You should look into it.

I have also met people who went into medical school with this in mind!

Let's hope they come out of med school with the same attitude

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I highly doubt the above and it sounds like a fairy tale to me. Any doctor who went trough the pains of medical school is very unlikely to risk his license and jail time for the sake of a patient...Furthermore, psychedelics were banned almost 50 years ago. What you're saying here is that generations of doctors passed on the 'secret' , father to son, risking it all just to help their patients. Yeah, right !

It seems to me that there's a rather argumentative tone here, perhaps carried over from a different thread...

Not all psychedelics were banned 50 years ago. Look at the amazing work that was being done with MDMA legally a scant 30 years ago. Additionally, you don't need to have the knowledge passed down from "father to son". My father certainly didn't pass it down to me, so why a physician could only know about or be interested in psychedelic therapy as a result of this sort of arrangement eludes me.

I know of at least one local physician who is in the process of essentially dropping his medical practice and increasing the amount of ayahuasca ceremonies he's leading. And I've heard tell of other professionals engaged with or undertaking underground psychedelic research/therapy.

It's rather from my experience with physicians in general... Then again, 'highly unlikely' doesn't mean 'impossible' . Regarding how long various compounds have been banned, does it really matter whether it's 30 or 50 or 5 years? If they catch you with it today, the consequences are the same.

Ok, I'm sorry, but how on earth does this:

"Regarding how long various compounds have been banned, does it really matter whether it's 30 or 50 or 5 years? If they catch you with it today, the consequences are the same."

relate to this:

"Furthermore, psychedelics were banned almost 50 years ago. What you're saying here is that generations of doctors passed on the 'secret' , father to son, risking it all just to help their patients. Yeah, right !"

You initially stated, in essence, that due to the amount of time since the criminalization of the majority of psychotropic compounds, the only way physicians could have any knowledge/interest/engagement with psychedelic therapy was through some weird guild-like "father to son" exchange of information. I pointed out that not only has it not been 50 years since all of these compounds were criminalized, but also that the "father to son" method of data transfer is hardly the norm among the entheogenic/psychedelic community.

Your statement on legal consequences appears to be entirely non-seqiturial with regards to these two points...

 

[tango]

You initially stated, in essence, that due to the amount of time since the criminalization of the majority of psychotropic compounds, the only way physicians could have any knowledge/interest/engagement with psychedelic therapy was through some weird guild-like "father to son" exchange of information. I pointed out that not only has it not been 50 years since all of these compounds were criminalized, but also that the "father to son" method of data transfer is hardly the norm among the entheogenic/psychedelic community.

Your statement on legal consequences appears to be entirely non-seqiturial with regards to these two points...

That's not the essence of what I stated, but the essence of how you read it. I'm well aware that most people aren't introduced to scheduled substances by their parents. The passing of knowledge from father to son was not meant to be taken literally, but merely to emphasize that in my opinion, the existence of an underground of psychiatrists using banned substances was very unlikely and fairy tale like.

There's no major contradiction, really. It's more about how different people use language to get their point across. Some of us like metaphors, others prefer such words as non-sequiturial over their more domestic synonyms -it's all good

 

[SnozzleBerry]

So you are honestly stating that the essence of this "metaphor"

Furthermore, psychedelics were banned almost 50 years ago. What you're saying here is that generations of doctors passed on the 'secret' , father to son, risking it all just to help their patients.

is that

Regarding how long various compounds have been banned, does it really matter whether it's 30 or 50 or 5 years? If they catch you with it today, the consequences are the same

:?

My point was that the semantic changes when you conflate these two statements ultimately dance around the reason why I brought up the time period of MDMA criminalization.

Imo, this semantic dancing is further evidenced by your substitution of the phrase "most people" with "physicians" (which was used to imply the even smaller group of "physicians with interests in psychedelic therapy" ).

 

[tango]

haha... way to highjack a thread ) I wonder what the OP is thinking when he comes back and just finds more of this. I say let's close this parentheses.

My point was that the semantic changes when you conflate these two statements ultimately dance around the reason why I brought up the time period of MDMA criminalization.

Imo, this semantic dancing is further evidenced by your substitution of the phrase "most people" with "physicians" (which was used to imply the even smaller group of "physicians with interests in psychedelic therapy).

see my id

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

You have a very interesting perspective Tango.
You seem more concerned with the legality than the potential benefits of the use of psychedelics.

A curious name as well...