Mimosa Hostilis STB extraction report

[Chaquah]

96% alcohol is ethanol.

Ah. Learning all the time. So is it good to use ?

I got it from the liqourstore. Pretty expensive though.

 

[Du57mi73]

I don't know anything about harmalas. Start a new thread and ask about it or use the search function to find out.

 

[wearepeople]

Also if someone knows what i can best use to create caapi extract from caapi bark i have. Please let me know. Ethanol is no good, methanol is no good, acetone does't dissolve harmalas. So is 96% pure alcohol good ?

Are you looking to make a full extract? Or simply tea?

For full extraction, check out the Harmalas part of. this page.

This one is specifically for caapi vine.
So is this one.

For a Caapi tea, check out this.

Have fun & enjoy,
Wap

 

[Chaquah]

Are you looking to make a full extract? Or simply tea?

My plan is to put 10grams of caapi in a solvent for two weeks. Then filter the solvent and dissolve 1 gram of spice in it. Then add the herbs and let solvent dissolve.

So i need to find a solvent that will both dissolve the alkaloids in the caapi and then also dissolve the spice.

I'm thinking ethanol would do the job, but thats pretty expensive. So if acetone would work as well, that would be a much cheaper option.

Any suggestions ?

Oherwise i could also create full extract as done in the guides in the post above.

 

[wearepeople]

Oh, so I think you're making changa.

Check out this spectacular thread about changa.

I'm not exactly sure how you would do it with vine.

 

[wearepeople]

10x enriched leaf-Most people find it much more cost effective to enrich their organic plant matter with the harmalas from the Caapi leaf rather than extract and use pure Harmala freebase or purchase them from vendors. The effects are the same. You need a min of 10g Caapi leaves to infuse 1g of spice. Just buy an ounce its cheap and you can use it for lots of things. Take 10g of leaf in a pot and add water as if you were making a pot of tea. Bring to a slow boil or simmer for a couple hours adding water to keep the level consistent.

Remove plant material by however you wish. I like to use a fine mesh sack used to strain jams but a cotton t is just as good. Ring out your leaf and put all the combined liquid back into the pot to reduce. Here you can go 2 ways. You can add a fresh gram of leaf to the reducing liquid, slowly simmer off the water then leave out to fully air dry, or you can reduce the liquid alone, evaporate the remainder and scrape up the powdery residue. This crude Haramla powder will be later added to 1g of Caapi leaf to make a 10x 1 to 1 changa blend. That’s 1g of 10x enriched Caapi leaf, 1g spice.

Play with numbers to see if you understand this explanation before we talk about how to get everything infused together. What would the ratios be if you wanted twice as much harmalas in the same batch of Changa we have been discussing using Caapi leaf? It would still be a 1 to 1 standard blend but instead of 10x enriched Cappi it would be 20x enriched Caapi written as; 20x 1 to 1 Changa. Or if using purified Harmalas it would be a 2 to 1 Changa.

Infusing the blend-It’s pretty easy and there are multiple ways. I’ll describe the easiest and use the most commonly found ingredient which is 99% isopropyl alcohol or IPA.

In a pot with water in it place approximately 40ml IPA into a small glass and heat up the alcohol in a double boiler method. It does not need to be piping hot or boiling just quite warm to hot. Once heated remove from pot and add your spice and harmalas to the IPA. You can stir or swirl whatever you want until all the spice is dissolved. If using enriched dried leaf only add the spice to the IPA. Now place your plant material on a bowl or small dish and pour the IPA into the bowl over the plant matter and mix well. Put in a safe non direct sun area with a fan on it until fully dry. When you think its fully dry, dry it some more. If you’re in a highly humid area you may need to take other steps to fully evaporate the solvent out. There are tips at the end of this tutorial regarding drying your blends in high humidity. You now have Changa, congratulations!

If you don’t wish to customize your Changa to personal perfection this is your stop. 1 to 1 blends are nothing short of amazing and getting super detailed as will be discussed in the next paragraphs is not necessary but I highly recommend it. The perfect blend.

 

[Du57mi73]

So according to what was just posted, it would seem isopropyl alcohol is your best and cheapest option. It can be bought 12oz for a couple dollars at any local store.

 

[Chaquah]

Thanks again. That helps.

I will make freebase harmalas from the vine I have and will find dried caapi leaves to make 10x caapi leaves.
The caapi leaves are not so easy to find however.

As for the extraction of spice. After two pulls I weighed the spice at 0.8 grams. So that's exactly 1%.
2 more pulls will follow in the coming week.

 

[wearepeople]

I humbly suggest finding 99%.

 

[Du57mi73]

I searched for a while in my area. The highest I could ever find was 97%, which is high, but the higher the better.

 

[Chaquah]

I found 99.9% isopropyl alcohol, or isopropanol as it's called here.

I am having more troubles finding caapi leaves. All tips are welcome.

 

[Chaquah]

Good evening,

I've now done 2 extractions. Although in the pictures i only show one glass jar, irl there is 310 grams of mimosa extraction going on in three jars (2x 1.5l jar and 1x 3l jar). After 2 pulls there were 3.69gr of crystals. The color is pretty nice, light yellow. I will post a picture once its all finished, after 4 pulls.

Yesterday i did a 3rd extraction (i am now talking about the single jar again This was after it sat for 3-4 days. This is currently drying. It looks much yellower. I think i will purify all the crystals from the 3rd and 4th pulls because these seem more yellow.

Once im finished i will post pics of the different colors to see if i should purify/recrystalise.

One question: The naphta stays pretty yellow after it has been used. Shouldn't it clear up after freeze precipitation ? I can't imagine you can keep on using yellow naphta for future extractions endlessly. In previous extractions i don't remember the naphta staying so yellow.

Below is a picture of the crystals from the 3rd pull. My guess is that its about 0.3-4 grams.

 

[Du57mi73]

If you're going to make changa with this then there is no reason to further purify. The oils will be beneficial to the changa.

 

[Chaquah]

Ah thats good news. So it is only plant oils that make it yellowy ?

Should i purify if it will be smoked pure by swim (pure as not in changa)?

 

[Du57mi73]

You double posted.

And no, the purity that you have now is exceedingly high. There's no reason to clean it even to smoke it. And yes, there's a couple reasons why its yellow. The main reason is plant oils, which are beneficial in some manners. Another reason dmt would be yellow is if it sits for a very long period of time it will oxidize and become dmt n-oxide, which is still psychoactive. But the yellow straight from a reaction is due to plant oils.

 

[Chaquah]

You double posted.

Thanks, i don't see how i can delete it ..edit: deleted now

And no, the purity that you have now is exceedingly high. There's no reason to clean it even to smoke it. And yes, there's a couple reasons why its yellow. The main reason is plant oils, which are beneficial in some manners. Another reason dmt would be yellow is if it sits for a very long period of time it will oxidize and become dmt n-oxide, which is still psychoactive. But the yellow straight from a reaction is due to plant oils.

Allrighty then, i will do no purification then. I do plan on making a big pure crystal, so i will purify whatever i use for that.

So no washing with amonia either ?

I got some lime and vinegar to try the q21q21 tek. Do you see any advantages in using this tek other than that the materials used are not as aggressive as lye ?

 

[Du57mi73]

Try them both, see which one you like more and use that one for further experiments. Lime is a perfectly acceptable substitute for lye.

If you want one pure crystal you should be able to do it with your next re-x.

 

[Chaquah]

Another question i have:
Before i add the naphta to the soup, i warm it up a little bit. I then place the jar with soup and warm naphta in a big pan with warm water to warm up the whole jar a little more. The idea is that this will get more crystals into the naphta.

After i do this i let the jar stand around for half a day during which i turn it upside down every 15 minutes or so.

I was wondering if any of the crystals that get caught by the warm naphta, will fall out of the naphta again while the jar is cooling down during the half day of turning ?

Should i extract the naphta while it is still warm ? When i do the extraction of naphta now, the whole jar with liquids is room temperature.

 

[cyb]

Should i extract the naphta while it is still warm ? When i do the extraction of naphta now, the whole jar with liquids is room temperature.

It shouldn't crash out at RT but the warmer the nap is, the more it will hold.
If you pull it out and put it in a cold glass dish, it will cloud up if it is highly saturated.
Then it's off to the freezer for the precip.

 

[livinglife]

Below are the pics of the freeze precipatation.

The first 2 are taken after an hour of freezing. The naphta had turned yellowy milky by then.
The two after that were taken the morning after. So after about 10 hours.
I finally emptied the jar into a coffee filter that i had first drenched with naphta. All the crystals were piled up on the bakingpaper and next to none were left in the jar on the glass.

After drying, i weighed it at 0.64 grams. I did another pull this evening and will do another after a few days and the fourth and final one in a week or two.

First, nice report and information :thumb_up:

Did the crystals just "fall off" the bakingpaper? No offence, I didn't quite understand that.

I'm doing the same as you right now, so later tonight I will take it out and to what you did here, that's why I'm asking