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Mimosa Hostilis STB extraction report
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Well actually because you pm-ed me about it.
This is the first time i ordered there, so i also ordered some from where i got it before. Just to make sure.
The pulls im doing now, after a week, are almost orangy red. So im not sure if thats good. They're still in the freezer now, so i have to wait to see what kind of crystals come out of that.
Do you know anything about Aceton vs IPA when it comes to scent molecule dissolvement of Lemon Balm ? Will they both work as well ?
I also have pure 96% alcohol, that would probably work, but thats pretty expensive.
This is the first time i ordered there, so i also ordered some from where i got it before. Just to make sure.
The pulls im doing now, after a week, are almost orangy red. So im not sure if thats good. They're still in the freezer now, so i have to wait to see what kind of crystals come out of that.
Do you know anything about Aceton vs IPA when it comes to scent molecule dissolvement of Lemon Balm ? Will they both work as well ?
I also have pure 96% alcohol, that would probably work, but thats pretty expensive.
"Pure 96% alcohol" lol. that statement is kinda contradictory but I know what ya ment.
I don't know much of anything about lemon balm or flavanoids. Ill tell you what little I do know.. Considering the fact that the tea still has these flavors/smells, I would assume its in a salted form, which means its water soluble. My suggestion would be to just boil it in water, pull out all of the lemon balm and reduce your water to a very small amount or completely evaporate it if you want a solid substance. Note though that this will be more than just the alkaloids that cause the fragrance. See the problem with that kind of stuff is if you don't know what is actually making it smell, then it does little to help you. If it is an alkaloid, then you can treat it as you would any other alkaloid. If it is one of its oils that causes that smell then you'd have to do something else entirely. The same goes for if it is a sugar that causes the fragrance. So. Narrow down the molecule in question and we can go from there.
That orange/red naptha is what I pulled EVERY time. I dunno what's wrong with that bark. I think maybe its really sensitive and it breaks down quickly if agitated too much. That's why your 3rd pull is like that, and all of mine were. I prefer to shake my jars like a madman. Regardless, the bark I use now is perfect in every way.
I don't know much of anything about lemon balm or flavanoids. Ill tell you what little I do know.. Considering the fact that the tea still has these flavors/smells, I would assume its in a salted form, which means its water soluble. My suggestion would be to just boil it in water, pull out all of the lemon balm and reduce your water to a very small amount or completely evaporate it if you want a solid substance. Note though that this will be more than just the alkaloids that cause the fragrance. See the problem with that kind of stuff is if you don't know what is actually making it smell, then it does little to help you. If it is an alkaloid, then you can treat it as you would any other alkaloid. If it is one of its oils that causes that smell then you'd have to do something else entirely. The same goes for if it is a sugar that causes the fragrance. So. Narrow down the molecule in question and we can go from there.
That orange/red naptha is what I pulled EVERY time. I dunno what's wrong with that bark. I think maybe its really sensitive and it breaks down quickly if agitated too much. That's why your 3rd pull is like that, and all of mine were. I prefer to shake my jars like a madman. Regardless, the bark I use now is perfect in every way.
I meant 100% pure 96% alcohol 
In the thread i mentioned above, the OP just puts his lemon balm in IPA anywhere from 4 days to several months. He then uses this flavored IPA to dissolve his Spice and Harmalas.
So i pressume the flavanoids dissolve in IPA.
But i´ve never heard of the term flavanoids. I´m gonna dive into that one today. I´ve allready been dreaming of Changa flavored with lemon en cinnamon and maybe a touch of rosemary.
There´s a book i once read, the perfume, it goes into extracting fragrances from stuff to great detail. There, alcohol is used to even extract the fragrance of people. Maybe i should find that book again.
About the bark: I guess its a good idea to only go for 2-3 pulls. It looks like sth is forming in the precipitation jars in the freezer. But i will wait till tonight to see for sure.
The new bark also smells just a little more natural somehow. I will use that bark for the q21q21 extraction i plan on doing this week.
In the thread i mentioned above, the OP just puts his lemon balm in IPA anywhere from 4 days to several months. He then uses this flavored IPA to dissolve his Spice and Harmalas.
So i pressume the flavanoids dissolve in IPA.
But i´ve never heard of the term flavanoids. I´m gonna dive into that one today. I´ve allready been dreaming of Changa flavored with lemon en cinnamon and maybe a touch of rosemary.
There´s a book i once read, the perfume, it goes into extracting fragrances from stuff to great detail. There, alcohol is used to even extract the fragrance of people. Maybe i should find that book again.
About the bark: I guess its a good idea to only go for 2-3 pulls. It looks like sth is forming in the precipitation jars in the freezer. But i will wait till tonight to see for sure.
The new bark also smells just a little more natural somehow. I will use that bark for the q21q21 extraction i plan on doing this week.
"It looks like sth is forming in the precipitation jars" what is sth?
That silver bag mhrb didn't look or smell 100% like bark. That's another reason I didn't like it. The nose knows.
I've actually heard of the book before, don't know about it though.
The good thing about IPA is that it is water and alcohol mixed, and super cheap. My suggestion would be to do just that. Soak all you herb fragrant containing objects(lemon balm, rosemary) in IPA for several days, stirring occasionally, then filter it. Add your dmt, then add your herbs, and let it evaporate. Should be fairly simple. Do a test run with no dmt. Once you have your fragrants in the ipa I would evap a bit on a glass tray to see how it smells, looks. Then I would put some on some herb and see how it smokes, and THEN mix everything together. It'll be a fun experiment.
Flavonoids was entirely the wrong word. I'm sorry. Ignore my use of the word flavonoid. I was under the impression that it was the alkaloid responsible in a plant for flavor(and smell). I am wrong.
That silver bag mhrb didn't look or smell 100% like bark. That's another reason I didn't like it. The nose knows.
I've actually heard of the book before, don't know about it though.
The good thing about IPA is that it is water and alcohol mixed, and super cheap. My suggestion would be to do just that. Soak all you herb fragrant containing objects(lemon balm, rosemary) in IPA for several days, stirring occasionally, then filter it. Add your dmt, then add your herbs, and let it evaporate. Should be fairly simple. Do a test run with no dmt. Once you have your fragrants in the ipa I would evap a bit on a glass tray to see how it smells, looks. Then I would put some on some herb and see how it smokes, and THEN mix everything together. It'll be a fun experiment.
Flavonoids was entirely the wrong word. I'm sorry. Ignore my use of the word flavonoid. I was under the impression that it was the alkaloid responsible in a plant for flavor(and smell). I am wrong.
Lol. Its a very cool word !Du57mi73 said:
I did that after one day of soaking in acetone. Put some calea and mullein in a jar and poured a little acetone on it, but after evaporation, it smelled precisely like mullein and calea.Du57mi73 said:
So i´m going to find me some 100% pure 99.9% ipa.
I will know this evening and post pics.Du57mi73 said:
I was asking what "sth" means.
Flavonoid is a cool word, it just doesn't mean what I thought it did. Haha.
You keep saying 100% pure XX% acetone/ipa. If its 100% pure then it wouldn't be 99.9% or 96%. Lol. I know that you mean its clean and contains no other chemicals besides the ipa/acetone and water. Its funny reading it like that.
Glad you did dry tests already. Looks good so far then. I would suggest using a 97% ipa rather than a 99.9% IPA/acetone because some of the flavor, smell, and health benefits are available in the water soluble parts of the plant. The 3% water content will help grab those.
Flavonoid is a cool word, it just doesn't mean what I thought it did. Haha.
You keep saying 100% pure XX% acetone/ipa. If its 100% pure then it wouldn't be 99.9% or 96%. Lol. I know that you mean its clean and contains no other chemicals besides the ipa/acetone and water. Its funny reading it like that.
Glad you did dry tests already. Looks good so far then. I would suggest using a 97% ipa rather than a 99.9% IPA/acetone because some of the flavor, smell, and health benefits are available in the water soluble parts of the plant. The 3% water content will help grab those.
sth means something 
lol !
Good call about the 97% ipa instead of 99.9%, allthough neither seem available here. I went to all pharmacies and drugstores and apparently only the pharmacies that make their own medicine, use ipa. So i will have to order it online.
The pharmacy people were even asking me what i planned on using it for. So i said ´psychedelic weapons of mass destruction'. The actual good answer is to say you´re making perfume.
100% pure 96% ipa was a joke. Everything you buy is 100% that what you buy. So 50% pure 96% ipa would be half a bottle of it.
Now that im saying that, could i add a little distilled water to 99.9% ipa to make it 97% ?
See below for the sth that came out of the orangy naphta. The naphta turned yellow again btw. So all the orangryred stuff is in what i extracted. Im not sure this looks smokable ..
lol !Good call about the 97% ipa instead of 99.9%, allthough neither seem available here. I went to all pharmacies and drugstores and apparently only the pharmacies that make their own medicine, use ipa. So i will have to order it online.
The pharmacy people were even asking me what i planned on using it for. So i said ´psychedelic weapons of mass destruction'. The actual good answer is to say you´re making perfume.
100% pure 96% ipa was a joke. Everything you buy is 100% that what you buy. So 50% pure 96% ipa would be half a bottle of it.
Now that im saying that, could i add a little distilled water to 99.9% ipa to make it 97% ?
See below for the sth that came out of the orangy naphta. The naphta turned yellow again btw. So all the orangryred stuff is in what i extracted. Im not sure this looks smokable ..
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Another interesting thing that happened is this: I put some fresh lemon balm in the acetone two days ago. The herbs still look very green and fresh, but they have completey turned into crisps. Like green cornflakes. I wasn´t expecting that. The acetone has turned bright green. Very cool looking.
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I pressume you´re not referring to the brown gunk :?:Du57mi73 said:
Good news, i´ve reconnected with an old friend who turns out to be a biochemist. And he shares me interest in entheogens as well. So i can´t wait to get together for some tea.
Ah, then you could be friends probably. He´s been brewing everything from opiates to wine.
I think my lemon balm in acetone experiment is working quite well. I am now the proud owner ofa small batch of un-enhanced mullein and calea zacatechichi with lemon balm fragrance .. which makes me very happy.
It will be rolled into my next joint.
I think my lemon balm in acetone experiment is working quite well. I am now the proud owner ofa small batch of un-enhanced mullein and calea zacatechichi with lemon balm fragrance .. which makes me very happy.
It will be rolled into my next joint.
A day later it didnt smell so much of lemon anymore, but i rolled it into my joint nonetheless. I think the herbs will have to sit in the acetone a while longer.
I was looking at the diamnond crystals thread. And what you said about the solvent being used. I don´t think captain futuro is using naphta, but rather IPA (wundbenzin = rubbing alcohol).
But wiki sais: Petroleum ether, also known as benzine, VM&P naphtha (varnish makers' & painters'), petroleum naphtha, naphtha ASTM, petroleum spirits, X4 or ligroin, is a group of various volatile, highly flammable, liquid hydrocarbon mixtures used chiefly as nonpolar solvents. Chemically, it is not an ether like diethyl ether, but a light hydrocarbon.
But i agree with you that its likeley to be the solvent rather than the purity of spice. Or maybe a combination.
Maybe i will do a re-x in acetone to see what kinda crystalls that produces.
ps.
do you or anyone else know how this promotion thing works. i can´t post anything in all the nice crytals threads.
I was looking at the diamnond crystals thread. And what you said about the solvent being used. I don´t think captain futuro is using naphta, but rather IPA (wundbenzin = rubbing alcohol).
But wiki sais: Petroleum ether, also known as benzine, VM&P naphtha (varnish makers' & painters'), petroleum naphtha, naphtha ASTM, petroleum spirits, X4 or ligroin, is a group of various volatile, highly flammable, liquid hydrocarbon mixtures used chiefly as nonpolar solvents. Chemically, it is not an ether like diethyl ether, but a light hydrocarbon.
But i agree with you that its likeley to be the solvent rather than the purity of spice. Or maybe a combination.
Maybe i will do a re-x in acetone to see what kinda crystalls that produces.
ps.
do you or anyone else know how this promotion thing works. i can´t post anything in all the nice crytals threads.
Ill suggest to the mod you get promoted so you can post elsewhere. Have you written an introduction essay?
I don't think crystals form in acetone/IPA at all.
Even if he is using naptha, I think the naptha he is using has a different composition of hydrocarbons than what I use or you are using and it is allowing those kind of results. I don't really know. Pressure may play a bigger part than we know. That's why I'm curious about soulmans results.
I don't think crystals form in acetone/IPA at all.
Even if he is using naptha, I think the naptha he is using has a different composition of hydrocarbons than what I use or you are using and it is allowing those kind of results. I don't really know. Pressure may play a bigger part than we know. That's why I'm curious about soulmans results.
Yes i did write one, you didn´t read it ?? i read yoursDu57mi73 said:
But thanks, i got promoted !Ok, no ipa and acetone will be used then
Yes that shoudl be interesting. But i didnt get the impression that captain futuro was changing pressure.
I will ask my biochemist friend about it. He sais to put a grain of sand in the saturated solvent and the crystals will form on the sand. That might be worth trying.
Now that i´m waiting for the crystals to form, i thought i´d try the q21q21 tek.
One question i have is about this part:
So if i stir it thoroughly, i expect the naphta might not stay completely seperate from the bark. Will the naphta float back to the top ? How should i see this ?
One question i have is about this part:
First he sais, the bark should stay completely seperate and in the next step he sais to stir the bark around with the naphta thoroughly.q21q21 said:
So if i stir it thoroughly, i expect the naphta might not stay completely seperate from the bark. Will the naphta float back to the top ? How should i see this ?
Don't put a grain of sand, put a preformed crystal into it. it'll start from there. I put a .3g crystal into an evap and it came out 1.3g
Its hard for me to go through all the pages cuz I use my phone to get onto the forums, so I don't really do much scouring of the site. Ill read your essay next. I see you got promoted already though. Congrats.
I'm not saying that he specifically changed his pressure, but its noted that only he and a couple others have gotten those diamonds which I am suggesting he has a pressure difference due to geometric location, I.e. he live in a higher elevation or something.
it'll start from there. I put a .3g crystal into an evap and it came out 1.3gIts hard for me to go through all the pages cuz I use my phone to get onto the forums, so I don't really do much scouring of the site. Ill read your essay next. I see you got promoted already though. Congrats.
I'm not saying that he specifically changed his pressure, but its noted that only he and a couple others have gotten those diamonds which I am suggesting he has a pressure difference due to geometric location, I.e. he live in a higher elevation or something.
