Mimosa W/O MAOI THP tek

[Cabyz]

SWIM eagerly purchased 500 grams of Powdered Mimosa Bark with all his money, with the intentions of buying some Rue in a week or so when he has the money, but for now SWIM finds himself with a bulk amount of Mimosa, and no MAOI. So he researched the Mimosa without MAOI CWE, and decided to give it a try. SWIM also thought The Herbal Perc. seemed pretty nifty so he rigged up one of those.

...Now this is where stuff starts getting sketchy :shock:

SWIM pretty much winged this rig as much as possible, he cut the bottom off of a 2 liter bottle, but lacking cotton balls he used these thin cotton squares instead. Now this is where some of my concerns come in, he only used around an inch of these cotton squares which was ~25 squares, and he's not sure if that's enough to achieve the desired result, because the water seemed to flow through the perc rather quickly..

And here's where it gets super sketchy, because, SWIM's also lacking scales, so he put a few handfuls of the powder in a baggie and "weighed" ~40 grams. Now SWIM is no professional set of scales, but hes got some experience lol. Either way the recipes I've seen for mimosa without MAOI vary greatly.

Anyways he put the powder ontop of the cotton, and the towel on top of the powder finishing the setup. he then placed this bottle inside of another bottle with a cut off top (Ghetto Jar) to collect the finished product.

Well after running through the setup using 2 liters of water, with 35 ml of 5 % vinegar mixed in, SWIM has this full 2 liter bottle of light brown (beer colored) liquid. He plans on removing the tannins using the Gelatin Tek before consuming.

Now his only concern, as stated above, is the speed at which the liquid was filtered. All the water filtered through in no less than 45 minutes.

Either way SWIM plans on consuming half the brew later today, and maybe the other half depending where the first one gets him:lol: .


SWIM will keep you posted, please comment, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

[jaguar]

Hi Cabyz,

I would recommend starting with a much smaller dose. There are some MAOIs in Jurema/Mimosa and this makes her active by itself, however only at high doses. But 100g could be a dose that works without extra MAOIs. So be careful, better start slowly and wait for 1.5-2h, then drink again.

You will also have to reduce the brew. Even 1 liter is almost impossible to drink, since the taste is very unpleasant. Jurema is such a hot and sexy woman, but unfortunately, she tastes and smells awfully.

 

[endlessness]

OK a couple of comments.. If im not mistaken, the alkaloid which is probably responsible for the CWE activity (yuremamine) seems to be broken down not only by heat and basic pH, but also by acidic pH. Therefore by adding the vinegar you have just gone against your original purpouse which is to have an orally active brew without MAOI. So if you do that next time, then try without any acid. (but do let us know if you try to bioassay this brew you made)

Another thing. You said you dont have cotton balls (or cotton roll...? both can be easily bought in any pharmacy). But still, you could use the cotton squares, just add plenty of them and pack them tighter at the thiner part of the bottle on the bottom where it funnels up, so this will make the water run slower. Otherwise it will run too fast through the material, and wont be as effective as it can be when pulling the alkaloids.

Lastly: Not to nitpick but, ayahuasca is a word meaning something like 'vine of the souls', the 'vine' part reffering to Banisteriopsis caapi vine. Therefore it makes no sense talking about ayahuasca if you are not talking about caapi (and caapi has MAOIs so ayahuasca w/o MAOI cannot exist). So I suggest you change the topic title (by editing the original post) for something like "Mimosa W/O MAOI THP tek" or "Orally active dmt W/O MAOI THP tek", or something of the sort.

In any case, do let us know how it all turns out.

By the way Jaguar, he cannot reduce the brew because what makes mimosa orally active is destroyed by heat. For the same reason, I wonder, dont you need heat for the gelatin tannin removal tek? Because you do need heat for the egg white tannin removal, so if you do, then you cant use it...

I never tried a CWE from mimosa but I do know that unreduced caapi brews taste sooooo much smoother than reduced ones, so maybe its the same for mimosa, and then you could drink a larger quantity without so much problem? Also if you do as I said about packing the cotton plug tighter, with the slower running water you'll probably need less water for achieving same strenght brew, so that would be important to do in this case

Good luck and let us know how it went

 

[Cabyz]

Thanks Jaguar, it was SWIM's original plan to only drink about half of the liquid, and like you said wait awhile before taking anymore. And like Endlessness said, reducing it would make this brew rather useless for SWIM (If he hasn't done so himself.).

And thank you alot Endlessness. :d SWIM thought he read somewhere that Yuremamine did indeed break up in acid, but alas when he was doing this "experiment" SWIM couldn't find any information on it so he decided to go ahead and use a little bit of vinegar...

SWIM figured as much for the cotton, but he had just recieved the Mimosa yesterday, and was very eager to start on a project, and SWIM only had a small amount of those cotton squares. At any rate he'll run up to the store today and be a little more prepared for next time.

Ah, Thanks for the info. I never did look into the origin of the name or any of that, but I'll keep that in mind for the future.

And as for the Gelatin tek SWIM'S not sure, because although you do have to heat up the gelatin, he believes you do not have to heat up the actual brew . So the question is if the heat from the gelatin would be enough to break up the yuremamine or not.... hmm


After looking over all the information, SWIM is thinking he'll take one for the team :?

SWIM'S gonna ditch this bottle of brew I got right here (unless you think there's still hope for it), and go for a better approach. He'll run through the setup again, this time with a sufficient amount of cotton (because SWIM honestly fears that the water filtered through to quickly), non-modified distilled water, and he'll try the gelatin tek. If this fail to yield anything, one can assume that the Gelatin Tek was to much for it.

Rather it works or not, SWIM will later try again with water that has a 1L:15ML ratio of Water:Vinegar, and depending on if the first one works or not he may or may not use the Gelatin Tek. If this fails then one can assume that the acidity in the vinegar is too much for it.

One last thing. The powdered material SWIM ran through the herbal perc. should
still be usable with the 3x3 boiling tek and an MAOI, right?


Thanks again and SWIM will get back to you

 

[endlessness]

I dont understand, you want to throw away the liquid that you ran through the THP, and then brew the powdered material 3x3 and drink with MAOI? Why dont you just run more water through the THP if you feel it hasnt exhausted all the alkaloids from the mimosa, and then reduce this together with all the liquid from the THP you have so far, to smaller amount, and then drink it with a MAOI ?

 

[Cabyz]

Ah, sorry for the confusion. The problem is SWIM won't have an MAOI till the end of the weekish. So what SWIM was planning is to ditch the 2 liters of liquid he filtered through, and saving the powder to do a 3x3 with later (once he gets the MAOI).

But in the meantime he plans on fixing up another THP rig, with more cotton. SWIM will then test out a number of different methods, using the THP, in an attempt to figure out exactly what can and can't be done with a CWE of Mimosa without an MAOI.


The reason SWIM asked if he could use the left over powder for a 3x3 is so he doesn't waste 100-150 grams of mimosa on these "experiments".

 

[prottel]

You don't need to heat the brew to use the gelatin tech. Milk can also be used to binds to tannin. Although a somewhat acidic environment are needed. Ph around 4-5 is good.

So what SWIM was planning is to ditch the 2 liters of liquid he filtered through, and saving the powder to do a 3x3 with later (once he gets the MAOI).

You are throwing away the 2 liter of liquid you got and using the powder thats already mostly exhausted for actives?

 

[Cabyz]

SWIM will consider the skim milk.

Well yes, technically Dagger. The only reason why is because SWIM rigged up a THP with very little cotton, and the water filtered through rather fast, so SWIM is concerned that the liquid doesn't have enough actives in it. Not to mention that SWIM used vinegar, and the acidity supposedly breaks down the yuremamine, and SWIM doesn't really want to drink 2 liters of ineffective liquids.. But I guess the only real way to find out is for SWIM to drink it...:twisted:

 

[prottel]

The only reason why is because SWIM rigged up a THP with very little cotton, and the water filtered through rather fast, so SWIM is concerned that the liquid doesn't have enough actives in it.

45 minutes isn't a short time, especially if you got mimosa powder. A few minutes would also work...

 

[endlessness]

cabyz, you still dont make sense! Why dont you save that liquid to drink later once you do have a MAOI (and run more water through it, maybe after packing the plug tighter)? Throwing it away is something I really cant understand the reasoning behind!

 

[Cabyz]

Well considering what Dagger said, SWIM is going to drink the tea tomorrow night.


I get what your saying now Endlessness, even if it didn't collect enough actives, and if the vinegar broke down that chemical, SWIM could still save it, possibly add more to it, reduce it and drink it when he gets the MAOI, right? SWIM plans on doing that with whatever he doesn't drink tomorrow.

Thanks for the tips everyone, SWIM will be sure to get back to you with details of his dream.

 

[endlessness]

yep, exactly, or for example you can add the tighter cotton plug, and then re-run the water with few actives again through the THP... Or whatever, but just dont throw it away

Good luck, and do tell us how it went, what dosage you took (in % of liquid), etc

 

[Cabyz]

Update: Deciding to keep the original brew, SWIM got some Unflavored Gelatin for the Gelatin Tannin binding. He heated up 300 ML water, but not to a point of boiling, stirred in 28 grams of gelatin until completely dissolved, then poured about 3/4ths of the dissolved gelatin into the brew (Which is room temperature)and the brew turned a sort of pink, a very light dull pink. No precipitates formed or anything. After around 5 minutes, SWIM pours the brew through a makeshift cotton filter in an attempt to gather some of those nasty tannins. But alas, nothing appeared to be left behind at all, and the brew is still the same color.

SWIM will probably let the brew sit as is overnight in the hopes something happens over time. Please tell me your thoughts and experiences with what is happening to SWIMS brew, I'll check over your thoughts and hopefully sort this out. Thanks in advance :d


EDIT: Errr well, having a look at the pot I dissolved the gelatin in, I did notice a layer of gelatin along the bottom of it..... so maybe I didn't get much gelatin in there.... but it did turn that color of pink I've read about, so idk.... I also decided to stop pussy footing around and taste the brew, having only a small sip I must say it wasn't that bad. Didn't seem to dry out my mouth at all, and was hardly bitter. Compared to a sip of vodka, it was tasty lol. So maybe I did get the tannins out.... Or maybe there wasn't many in the concoction in the first place, as in it filtered through to fast.... Those are all uneducated guesses though lol. Either way, like stated earlier I'm gonna let it sit overnight.

 

[Cabyz]

Update 2: I have started drinking the tea, and it does have a bitter taste to it, but nothing like what I've heard been described. Well I'm gonna try to down a liter of this pink shit. It didn't seem to do anything overnight at all. And filtering through a coffee filter didn't seem to do anything either. I'll see what happens here. Wish me luck

Update 3: Ugh, 300 ML's through, and starting to gag rather bad. Stomach feels a little full of liquids too. I think I'm gonna wait a little bit, and let the stomach settle, lest I throw up. Man, I sure do hate having such a weak stomach. Post an update shortly!

 

[acolon_5]

^ That why people told you to reduce.

A liter of mimosa juice isn't gonna happen.

 

[Cabyz]

The liter def. happened (Took some time, but it wasn't TO bad), but alas nothing else did.

Well everyone learn from my lesson, if you're making Mimosa w/o an MAOI, do not add vinegar, lime juice, etc. Acid, like heat breaks up that crucial alkaloid needed to feel the effects of the dmt without a MAOI.


Expect to hear from me in a week or so though. Hopefully with good news this time

 

[jaguar]

You need a lot of gelatine to remove most of the tannins. Does anyone have a formula how much exactly you need? It is much from what I have seen.

If the brew still tastes awfully bitter, there can be removed more of those nasty tastekillers. Cooking temperature is in fact not at all needed to do that, just a bit of heat.

If tannin removal works, you will be left with a very ugly ball of nastiness which can be thrown to hell with a smile

 

[Cabyz]

All information I dug up on gelatin tannin removal was kind of vague (to me atleast lol). But from what I can tell, it's a 30% mixture. So for 100 grams mimosa you use 30 grams gelatin. That's just what I read in some other post though.


So Jaguar, you're saying that the water only needs to be heated a bit. Like say.... Hot water from a faucet? (Not that I'd ever use undistilled water, but just an example.)

 

[Apoc]

OK a couple of comments.. If im not mistaken, the alkaloid which is probably responsible for the CWE activity (yuremamine) seems to be broken down not only by heat and basic pH, but also by acidic pH. Therefore by adding the vinegar you have just gone against your original purpouse which is to have an orally active brew without MAOI. So if you do that next time, then try without any acid. (but do let us know if you try to bioassay this brew you made)

But Endlessness, I am confused. Isn't mimosa itself highly acidic with tannic acid? Also, wouldn't the hydrochloric acid in the stomach destroy the yuremamine even if consumed? So I guess what I'm asking is.... just how does one go about experiencing the effects of yuremamine? Thanks.

From my small bioassay of one only one comparison between vinegar treated mimosa vs consuming raw mimosa is this.
1g raw mimosa no treatment = very high level of euphoria. May have been the yuremamine.
2g mimosa boiled in vinegar = not nearly the same level of body euphoria.