Mind manifested or a peak into an alternate dimension?

[thick-light]

I'm just curious about this question that DMT puts forth. What are your opinions about this?

Does the mind manifest the hallucination based on the psychonaut's knowledge? A tablea rosa approach that incorporates all that one has experienced and learned since birth, or does it awaken A collective Jungian/Plato rationalist approach of consciousness full of blood memory archetypes that are present from birth, or knowledge that is inate and just waiting to be disscovered?

 

[zedwings]

I am inclined to believe the former although I would love the latter to be true. I remember reading an experience on erowid. The guy met aliens on a spacecraft, who pointed to a star and asked, "do you know what this star is?". The traveler knew the star and provided the correct answer. Had the guy NOT known the star and then had been told its human-given name by the entities then
I might have thought the latter to be true. In fact I have not come across any experiences where a person has been given information he did not previously know and was able to verify it in our dimension.

 

[VIII]

I also lean towards it being a hallucination based on the traveler's knowledge. I certainly don't know for sure, or even hold this belief strongly. My reasoning is only that a number of my breakthroughs were distinctly what I would classify as a Visualization of the Mind. Where I am literally viewing my thought process branch out, talking with an entity version of one of my inner voices, watching a memory being planted and then exerting the energy to pull it out and 'remember' that memory again.

However, I've met many entity archetypes that I would not have thought of without ingesting DMT. And the machines/technology over there is way beyond something I would have thought up. Maybe DMT is showing me how creative I really am if only I would stop focusing on my career... hah, trickster.

@zedwings
I agree that I haven't heard of anything gaining unknown knowledge. For me, DMT forces me to raise questions that I usually then provide an answer for. There is the occasional telepathic talk with an entity, but I can't recall anything specific. The entities speak in riddles... tricksters.

 

[Eliyahu]

I believe that much like dreaming, the psychedelic experience is as real as you make it....

Therefore my own personal experiences have always been real in extreme ways. Infact many of my experinces with DMT have in many ways been FAR MORE REAL than the "reality" that I dwell whithin during everyday waking life.

I personally would not bother with taking psychedelics if I thought they just made me percieve a simple illusion manifested by my subconcious mind and nothing more, I guess I don't understand the reasoning behind that way of thinking.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I personally would not bother with taking psychedelics if I thought they just made me percieve a simple illusion manifested by my subconcious mind and nothing more, I guess I don't understand the reasoning behind that way of thinking.

who is to say that existence is not merely an illusion manifested by your "conscious mind"?
assuming it is all your subconscious manifesting these ineffable states, why would you NOT want to make the subconscious conscious?

either way, i think it matters not (as with life in general), just enjoy the experience.

 

[rjb]

I think both. What Eliyahu refers to, and I concur, is that there's a special incentive to psychedelics, so to speak. Sure, you might see some impossible things, and laugh your ass off with a bunch of entities, but in the end what matters the most is what you do with the information / how you apply it to your daily life. Without this integration, then yeah, the psychedelic experience becomes just a mechanistic concept, as simple as "it's all an illusion" or "it's a peak into another world".

Just my 2c.

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

I think both. What Eliyahu refers to, and I concur, is that there's a special incentive to psychedelics, so to speak. Sure, you might see some impossible things, and laugh your ass off with a bunch of entities, but in the end what matters the most is what you do with the information / how you apply it to your daily life. Without this integration, then yeah, the psychedelic experience becomes just a mechanistic concept, as simple as "it's all an illusion" or "it's a peak into another world".

Just my 2c.

I also think both. I've put a cat into a trance on dmt with witnesses. I've woke my daughter through my dreams the past 3 nights while dreaming dmt dreams. Tesla hallucinated all his inventions, like electricity and wireless communication. The last of my sigs is Einstein supporting that in a way. I'm trying to bridge the gap. The space between dream and awake, while, paradoxically, bringing them together simultaneously. Unleash the true power of human potential. All it takes is a choice, of what to belive. To invest your God given mind power into manifestation. External is internal. It begins within.

 

[acacian]

hehe everyone else beat me to it already but i reassert both. even if the experience did simply boil down to the subconscious mind .. there is still the looming question of what exactly the subconscious mind is..and whether it is created by or the creator of matter. a lot of people i've discussed that question with kind of see the subconscious explanation as a sort of successful dead end to the argument... but only when viewing the subconscious mind as a product of matter... it really depends on how you view the nature of the subconscious mind in the first place. I believe the experience is in many ways influenced by the subconscious mind, though I do not believe that the mind is created by the brain or the chemicals which make it up.. i see the brain as kind of a mediator for the mind into this realm of reality

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

hehe everyone else beat me to it already but i reassert both. even if the experience did simply boil down to the subconscious mind .. there is still the looming question of what exactly the subconscious mind is..and whether it is created by or the creator of matter. a lot of people i've discussed that question with kind of see the subconscious explanation as a sort of successful dead end to the argument... but only when viewing the subconscious mind as the result of matter rather than the creator of... it really depends on how you view the nature of the subconscious mind in the first place.

Overthinking overanalyzing separates the body from the mind.......swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.......XD

I say embrace the paradox. Then we will all share this experience.

 

[acacian]

hehe everyone else beat me to it already but i reassert both. even if the experience did simply boil down to the subconscious mind .. there is still the looming question of what exactly the subconscious mind is..and whether it is created by or the creator of matter. a lot of people i've discussed that question with kind of see the subconscious explanation as a sort of successful dead end to the argument... but only when viewing the subconscious mind as the result of matter rather than the creator of... it really depends on how you view the nature of the subconscious mind in the first place.

Overthinking overanalyzing separates the body from the mind.......swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.......XD

I say embrace the paradox. Then we will all share this experience.

this is true in ways of course, though i believe one of the great gifts of being in a body is to analyse our existence in new ways, giving new meaning to our nature

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

hehe everyone else beat me to it already but i reassert both. even if the experience did simply boil down to the subconscious mind .. there is still the looming question of what exactly the subconscious mind is..and whether it is created by or the creator of matter. a lot of people i've discussed that question with kind of see the subconscious explanation as a sort of successful dead end to the argument... but only when viewing the subconscious mind as the result of matter rather than the creator of... it really depends on how you view the nature of the subconscious mind in the first place.

Overthinking overanalyzing separates the body from the mind.......swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.......XD

I say embrace the paradox. Then we will all share this experience.

this is true in ways of course, though i believe one of the great gifts of being in a body is to analyse our existence in new ways, giving new meaning to our nature

I agree to every word with one difference, instead of analyze, I try to observe. I feel the word anal is in analyze for a reason. Lol. I love ya anyway.

 

[acacian]

hehe everyone else beat me to it already but i reassert both. even if the experience did simply boil down to the subconscious mind .. there is still the looming question of what exactly the subconscious mind is..and whether it is created by or the creator of matter. a lot of people i've discussed that question with kind of see the subconscious explanation as a sort of successful dead end to the argument... but only when viewing the subconscious mind as the result of matter rather than the creator of... it really depends on how you view the nature of the subconscious mind in the first place.

Overthinking overanalyzing separates the body from the mind.......swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.......XD

I say embrace the paradox. Then we will all share this experience.

this is true in ways of course, though i believe one of the great gifts of being in a body is to analyse our existence in new ways, giving new meaning to our nature

I agree to every word with one difference, instead of analyze, I try to observe. I feel the word anal is in analyze for a reason. Lol. I love ya anyway.

love to you as well brother!

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

Well, the party never ends, sometimes I just have to pass out and continue in my "dreams and sleep", I will join you tomorrow.

 

[thick-light]

Thanks for your opinions, Both fit nicley, to phrse the question differently, Are their enitre colonies of entities waithing being the veil? Are they alaways there? Is the hyper-sapace dimension in a constant flux which my eyes percieve when when DMT is smoked? Or is it all from the tablea rosa infant who grows and projests his/her idea of the world and its numeroous actions, When I'm in hyperspace am I seeing mind manifested and hullicinations that are internl and external.My gut daya yet, but some common visuals jungian in nature has really brought this question to a new head. I'm a rationalist out to rediscover what I already know. Plato's dark cave has been ripped apart , making us recievers of the divine(or atleast a higher level of existance). why the commonalities? What happens on the other side for you, what were the repetitous huaalucinations that came again and again

 

[Tfin]

One common theme I've had in many of my experiences is what I call a "perception of a different state of being". Its a feeling, an awareness that is very different than how I feel in a conscious, sober state in our "normal" 3D environment. This state/feeling has nothing to do with OEV or CEV.

I'm sure that sounds extremely vague, but its the best I can describe it. In enjoy the sensation.

 

[TheRawringDinosaur]

I also think both. I've put a cat into a trance on dmt with witnesses. I've woke my daughter through my dreams the past 3 nights while dreaming dmt dreams. Tesla hallucinated all his inventions, like electricity and wireless communication. The last of my sigs is Einstein supporting that in a way. I'm trying to bridge the gap. The space between dream and awake, while, paradoxically, bringing them together simultaneously. Unleash the true power of human potential. All it takes is a choice, of what to belive. To invest your God given mind power into manifestation. External is internal. It begins within.

:O
-all it takes is a choice, of what to believe.

So true and in so many ways