Moderation and the Tao

[fairbanks]

"Our analysis emphasizes the high degree of similarity of relative time scales in mammalian development and life history across 67 genera from 12 mammalian orders and shows that the impact of carnivory on time to weaning in humans is quantifiable, and critical. Since early weaning yields shorter interbirth intervals and higher rates of reproduction, with profound effects on population dynamics, our findings highlight the emergence of carnivory as a process fundamentally determining human evolution." - Lund University Research on Impact of Carnivory on Human Development and Evolution

 

[jamie]

"I've gained experience saying otherwise because I knew someone who had 5 gastric bypass surgeries that would've died unless they switched to a plant-based diet."

What was their diet like before? How can you know it was not just the elimination of toxic processed foods that caused this? I also know people who healed some stuff with raw vegan diets..myself included. I was extremely sick with inflammatroy bowel disease before I got on a raw vegan diet..sure I healed some stuff but then hit a wall and then got other problems related to deficieny. People claim to cure cancer with raw vegan diets and juicing all the time and I believe them..but doing something for 6 months or 1 year and healing cancer or some other disease does not mean that doing that long term is going to be viable. People get better from doing cleanses also, that does not suddenly mean cleansing forever is a good idea.

At this point I am feeling even better than I did when I was raw vegan. Raw veganism was a step in the right direction in one sense in that it was a whole foods diet..but I feel like my diet currently is closer to the evolutionary diet of my ancestors which is why I feel better now than I have in years.

If you would have actaully watched the video I posted that women healed ovarian cancer with a raw vegnan diet..then after 4 years ended up with nervous system problems due to extremely low b12 that even b12 injections did not fix. She had to eat fish and eggs. Sorry but claiming someone was healed while eating a raw vegan diet does not mean it is a diet to sustain yourself on for the rest of your life. Those are 2 very different things.

 

[fairbanks]

People get better from doing cleanses also, that does not suddenly mean cleansing forever is a good idea.

Iggzaktlee! Or else you'll turn into Howie Mandel's hands

 

[jamie]

"I'm not going to go into detail about this diet, but it's very interesting because it's basically the diet meant for humans."

Source please? Sounds like a statement that some vegans make without any real data to support it. If it is the diet meant for humans that why is there NO indigenous peoples anywhere on earth that eat that sort of a diet? I mean, it is sort of silly isn't it to be claiming here that a certain diet is meant for humans that no indigenous humans on earth eat? The only people who eat that diet are a small group of people today doing a vegan experiment.

BTW..the whole raw food and ezymes thing is not completely true either..enzymes are broken down in the gut by stomache acid..the digestion take place by the enzymes in the saliva..this is why people say to chew your food. This is just another thing that the raw vegan community says over and over, when in reality it is not that simple.

Also, I am sorry but the opiate peptides in wheat are NOT heroin..so saying they are the same as heroin is sort of rediculous. Heroin is heroin and other opiates are not heroin.

 

[jamie]

"Cooked foods and grain addiction is currently a problem for me in my diet"

So you are not a raw foodest then? If you eat cooked grains that you are not a raw foodest and your words are not comming from any real experience with the diet.

"It's a problem for everybody, just nobody knows it."

Ehh...okay. Do you a have source for a scientific study that found that cooked food is bad for everyone? There is some real data out there to conclude to a reasonable degree(for me anyway) that cooked dairy is not the great for you, and that wheat is definatly not great for us. But to claim that all cooked fodd is bad for people is just a weak statment to make becasue it lacks any substance. Things are not so black and white in that way. I have spent a lot of time(years) studying this whole dietary thing due to my own health problems and I have tried out many things, and I hear you saying a lot of the same dogmatic things that I have heard already over and over and said myself too many times. None of it is new and much of it is not supported by any real data.

 

[gualapa]

fairbanks- so meat made it possible for more babies to be born. got it. so maybe since were starting to run into overpopulation problems we can all stop eating meat, that way we'll have less babies over time. that or we could just eat the extra babies, they're meat right? just kidding... thanks for having the patience to get your point across to me.

jamie- sorry this is way too much reading and responding for me, I don't spend much time on forums or online anymore and I'm at a busy point of the year. everybody has their own opinion, you can find millions of facts, I can find millions of facts, it would just go on forever till one of us is satisfied with where the discussion has gone and decides not to respond so I'm pulling the plug a little early. in the end, it's just like you said, we all figure out what diet works best for us on our own.

you can consider your case won or whatever, and I agree with many of your points but I stand my ground with respect to animal products. I just don't believe it's okay to have other people do the dirty work for me and the degree that people splurge with food is ridiculous, it's like were beating the shit out of animals till their dead then cutting them up just so someone can be satisfied at a restaurant (or home). Food's turned into far more than survival, it's just another greed-filled addiction that nearly everybody takes part in, and its all at the expense of another species. I feel we need to preserve this Earth, there aren't many other planets like it. but again, that's just my opinion.

 

[fairbanks]

"I just don't believe it's okay to have other people do the dirty work"

It's deer huntin season! Go getchya some nice lean healthy venison . Don't worry they're overpopulatin too, so it's beneficial to take em down.

"we could just eat the extra babies"

Baby eatin season doesn't start till later in winter .

 

[jamie]

^that is my plan..I just need to learn to hunt. Till then I am fishing. I live in BC..there is not really a lack of wildlife here. Like I said, factory farming is one of the main problems we face atm.

 

[fairbanks]

I did have a weird feeling that you're baby eater jamie..

 

[gualapa]

can't hunt where I live, if any of the few dear left in southern cali are hunted by humans instead of the mountain lions we'd encounter more mountain lions which would lead to more mountain lion shootings because people are stupid and don't understand the concept of tranquilizers.

on the other hand, there are plenty of young babies where I live, I can go urban hunting from backyard to backyard, baby cradle to baby cradle and stock up for the winter.

 

[dreamer042]

can't hunt where I live, if any of the few dear left in southern cali are hunted by humans instead of the mountain lions we'd encounter more mountain lions which would lead to more mountain lion shootings because people are stupid and don't understand the concept of tranquilizers.

on the other hand, there are plenty of young babies where I live, I can go urban hunting from backyard to backyard, baby cradle to baby cradle and stock up for the winter.

What a good citizen you are! The human population is way out of balance and we need to bring it back into order. Don't forget the sick and the elderly are easy targets as well. :twisted:

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

HAHA i love it!

thanks for posting that dreamer

 

[fairbanks]

lol dreamer