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wow....i would not be too flip to assume that maskedmartyr has, hopefully, got the message. 20 responses and the mildest of them basically saying, "your behavior is absolutlely beyond stupid."

sadly, i have to queue up behind everyone else on this one....i only hope that this doesn't feed some sort of complex within you that led you to your choice in username in the first place...

little brother- most of us have been intrepidly exploring our psyche's since we were your age....many even younger...but the one thing i personally never did was have the utter disrespect for my parents who worked and sacrificed to put food in my belly and a roof over my head to not only jeopardize their health, but their emotional peace of mind or their desire to NOT go to prison for something they had no clue was even going on.

my friend- you have a great opportunity presented to you in the reading of all of these responses. the opportunity to grow up and see your interconnection with others. if not the giant scope of the world, then the direct impact your selfish and foolish behavior could have on your parents and this very community you post with such abandon in. this is not funny. it is not cute. it is not appreciated.

as a moderator on this site, i am moving that you spend a bit more time in the nursery. you are not ready to be posting among full members. we have the nursery for potential members to learn the "spirit" of this forum. the spirit, the consideration and the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it. you are part of a COMMUNITY and your inconsiderate actions put us all at risk. part of the HONOR of being a full member here is the knowing that everyone you walk amongst has proven themselves trustworthy to not jeopardize the security of everyone else. it is a community based on trust.

and right now....you just lost ours.

to err is human, and i believe that if you have the humility to read all of these responses without your ego getting in the way, you will most likely NOT make this...or any other selfish-based mistake again. this is my true belief.

WITH LOVE AND GRATITUDE.
 
antrocles said:
as a moderator on this site, i am moving that you spend a bit more time in the nursery. you are not ready to be posting among full members. we have the nursery for potential members to learn the "spirit" of this forum. the spirit, the consideration and the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it. you are part of a COMMUNITY and your inconsiderate actions put us all at risk. part of the HONOR of being a full member here is the knowing that everyone you walk amongst has proven themselves trustworthy to not jeopardize the security of everyone else. it is a community based on trust.

and right now....you just lost ours.
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I couldn't have stated it better.

Maskedmartyr, because of your posting you have been put back to the nursery. I hope you learn from this and as soon as we see that you have learned you will have your full membership returned.


The Traveler
 
I agree with what everyone is saying, but we all have assumed that he lives with his parents, not his parents living with him. I mean judging by his grammar and spelling he is a youngin, but still I think we should let him explain himself before we go ape shit. On the other hand, if you are still living with your parents, you should remember that patience is a virtue, and the spice is a renewable resource. The worlds supply of DMT won't be depleated before you move out.
 
You have a good point there fatcat.

I moved this thread to the nursery so he can still reply in this topic and maybe we get some more infomation to put this all in a better perspective.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
I feel so lucky to have people in my life that understand what its all about, even if some of them will never try the experience... they see the positive change in me, therefor it must be a good thing.

... however, most peoples minds are far too conditioned to comprehend what this medicine can offer.
 
As a "sidedish" to the main course:

People who care,let alone parents if the one in question is underage, tend to freak out very easily especially on subjects like those.Even people that have no emotional connection to you (thus less likely to care what you do) have issues with subjects discussed in this webpage.

I find that many people will not listen to one's reasoning when talking about a subject they consider inherently bad. Being beyond the taboo of the stereotyped "drugs are bad",most of the people here might have never felt or forgoten how reasoning would sound like to people that have a knee jerk reaction to substances.

Consider the following sentences propably said in such a discussion:

"How can you judge without having direct experience,have you tried it at least once to see how it is?"

"Its not what you think it is,what you were told it is. In fact what you have been told about it couldnt be further from the truth"

"Have an open-mind about it ,dont be close minded from the start"

Those are things many members FEEL and they at times might have said and thought in an argument.You agree? Good.Now think those statements being reiterated to you from a pedophiliac considering his/her attraction towards children. Heh, did i make you cringe?

How would those arguments sound to you people if they concerned pedophilia? Could they convince you to treat it more openmindedly?To ...try it once to see for yourself? To consider that it might not be what it seems it is? Hmmm for some people thats how those arguments would sound like in a discussion about psychedelics,as if one tries to justify the unjustifiable.

That of course doesnt mean it isnt worth explaining: i am just giving a "simulation" of how the other person might treat the subject like , how the other person might think a priori that "obviously" you are on the wrong.

Extrapolate that to parents and it seems almost impossible especially if you are under their care to have a rational discussion about psychoactives and they tend to be "straight edge".


-Just my 2 cents and thoughts going around in my head lately-.
 
except psychcoactives don't negatively affect those who don't want anything to do with them. Pedophiles do. And yes, to my mind it's really that simple. The vast majority of those who use psychadelics will never freak out to the level that could cause physical and emotional trauma to others. Any pedophile inherently causes physical and mental trauma to others. There are other issues with the other "parallels" of your model as well, but that main difference is enough to cause me to deem it a poor comparison. I see what you are trying to get at, but this metaphor is in poor taste, imo, and i would humbly ask you to rethink it.
 
This is not really something you want to have to be hiding from people so close to you in your life..

I had a lot of problems with my mother when I was younger becasue she couldnt understand how I could justify my use of mushrooms and cannabis...when I was about 18-19 I started talking to her about my experiences and even hoped that she and my dad would both trip with me one day(long shot I know)..but my mother was into all kinds of wicca stuff and was reading all these spiritual books when I was younger and so I was exposed to this stuff as well..I see her exposing me to this type of stuff as part of the foundation that eventaully led me to psychedelics..I was very against drug use when in high school, besides very occasional cannabis use..

So when I found mushrooms it was like this whole new world opened up to me..alot of the sort of things my mother was into became tangible for me and I wanted to share that with her..but she wasn't into it and sort of saw me as a drug addict..so it put alot of distance between us, and it was painful.

We didn't get along and so I left and got my own place..over the years though I they started to see that there was something more to my use of entheogens than just abuse and addiction and stopped worrying. My mom even read a book on ayahuasca once. My dad has always found my experiences somewhat interesting though..but I dunno if he would sit and have a ceremony with or not..

They also have watched some documentaries on iboga and ayahuasca and support it's use here in canada for healing addictions..

I moved back home last year so I could go back to school and get a degree and we get along alot better now..and they are both fine with all my entheogenic plants that I grow and my extractions etc, and have even agreed to take care of all my plants when I do go to peru after I finish school..They rent me the basement and it's cheeper than most other places around here so I can afford to go to school so I am thankful for that. I talk to my dad alot about ayahuasca and DMT..he has even been urging me to go to these aya ceremonies with my best friend, he told me yesterday that he thinks if I pass things like that up I will only regret it..so I am damn thankful that I have people around me that do support me in what I do and what makes me me..I couldnt imagine having to hide this stuff. If I had to I would move right now.
 
Thats a side dish alright but were did it come from? Lets not compare the points raised in this thread with pedophilia your comparing ATOMIC bombs with snow flakes dropping. Sorry I cant see it.

Poor dude just got sent back to the Nuesery(still cant believe it exists and I post here at my age:shock: sometime I feel I should be ashamed of myself) lets not compare this to a mental illness like pedophilia. A most hideous thing that in my opinion requires life time incarceration or castration chemically or otherwise as the only protection for society from these truly sick people. They are a menace to society with a incurable mental illness that self replicates like a virus generation to generation. One strike and your OUT would be my rule with these pitiful beings.

Come on give Freezer Boy a break with the pedo stuff!:shock: :shock: :shock:

Peace
MV
 
SnozzleBerry said:
except psychcoactives don't negatively affect those who don't want anything to do with them. Pedophiles do. And yes, to my mind it's really that simple. The vast majority of those who use psychadelics will never freak out to the level that could cause physical and emotional trauma to others. Any pedophile inherently causes physical and mental trauma to others. There are other issues with the other "parallels" of your model as well, but that main difference is enough to cause me to deem it a poor comparison. I see what you are trying to get at, but this metaphor is in poor taste, imo, and i would humbly ask you to rethink it.
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Ah,of course i know ,but do people that consider psychoactives "a danger to society" know? :) They dont,thats one of my points.

I did not compare the two,nor did i intend to achieve a hollow cashing in on the harshness and shock value/disgust of pedophilia...but see how it created some sparks? ;) Its not about comparison of the situations on a basis of harm done,its not meant to have any paralleles apart from the similarity in human response towards something deeply felt as bad. I chose a subject that elicits a strong emotional responce -in this case fully justifiably-, to show how strongly emotional many people feel that "drugs are bad, a menace" -in this case unjustifiably- : but the net emotional response is the same ,independed of validity or reasoning.(You wouldnt convince them as a pedophiliac wouldnt convince you,propably you wouldnt even discuss it with him,you'd block him on the spot)

I used it more or less as a measure of how "unthinkable"/"out of question"/"not even if hell freezes over" would be some people to take under consideration the points of someone discussing psychoactives in anything different than a negative manner : as "unthinkable"/"out of question"/"not even if hell freezes over" ,i hope, pedophilia is for the members of this forum.

The same flame you (and i) feel in your argument and the same feeling you (and i) have that the above views on pedophilia are correct,the same flame others feel in their arguments and the same feeling they have that their views on psychoactives are correct.

Its not a matter of logic or analysis. Its a matter of feeling.

For those that might get a bit ...scared or confused : The easyness of touching a touchy subject,in no way is indicative of easyness on my part touching underage people :).I prefer consenting adults :!: I am with you guys.


P.S. Posted before seeing the reply above me. Exactly my point, the quickness of response ,the need to express clearly the view on an unanimously horrendous practice,almost on the verge of me getting severely misunderstood! Heh, the same response -on an emotional level- is actually given by many people when they are spoken to about psychoactives.

The sidedish came from that most people wouldnt understand let alone parents.Anyway,back to the topic on hand,i hope the OP will rethink his/her approach.Previous posters more or less explained the main concerns.
 
i guess thats enough...i think this person understands how we feel..there is no need to continue showing our displeasure...we have all made stupid mistakes and bad decisions..and instead we should NOW give him support in his journeys that he is going to take whether or not we think its a bad idea to do extractions without permission from parents
 
Wow, I feel a little different about all this.

I think all this situation is just showing (as someone said previously on this thread) how fast information is running nowadays.
We humans are curious by nature. I think it's natural (not culturally appropriate) that many young people living with their parents try extractions. Things are changing, more and more people everyday are finding out about this molecule all around the world at a very fast rate. We should know that this whole social game is changing, more souls are getting interested in playing. And I mean game as a metaphor. Essentially what he is doing is trying to experience the "spirit molecule", right?

Such thing would not be a trivial one. Such thing might as well be a very important one. We don't know what his mom thinks about "drugs", or about "psychedelics", or about DMT. Does she think DMT is "bad" and toxic? Well then she is ignorant on the matter. The boy has probably found the key to the universe, what is he supposed to do?

There are so much things going on through my mind right now, but I think that as humanity we are progressing. The word is out, the word is illegal. There will be tears, there will be pain, but I have faith that at the end our understanding will increase so we all can live in peace and explore Love and Mind without fear of being punished by Ignorance.



"If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will." - The Grateful Dead

Some people don't understand the lightning... too bad for them, it was inevitable.


Best wishes.
 
Ouch, this was kinda harsh for that kid, although, i can't disagree.

It's illegal, although it does not feel illegal to us, and ofcoarse he shouldn't make it in his parents house, this is a class a drug in lot's of countries, i dunno how flexible his parents will be if they find it, but if they do find it, and they decide to report him to the police they will sure enough ask where he got the knowhow, and they will be directed straight to this site, catch my drift?Not good, a minor making a class a drug, we all know how much commotion worried parents can evoke.

So this was way irresposible, and potentially dangerous to this forum, i can't blame him for not seeing that, but i hope he now understands that it was a bad idea.
If it was up to me i would actually go as far as banning him, but that wouldn't prevent him from doing what he does, so it's probably no use, i just hope he'll take responsibility.

This proves more then ever that DMT is becoming a real HYPE, and that everyone is able to make it.
 
I think if you're determined to grow something at home and can't be talked out of it, make it a cactus. At least then it looks like a pet plant rather than a drug lab. But even then, only if your parents are super-cool... seriously you could end up busted and getting all the plants banned otherwise. So many parents are not cool, thank god mine were liberal.

You really do need your own place to be a responsible psychenaut. It's far too risky to be sprawled out on your bed gibbering in incapacity when your parents could knock on the door at any time. Where exactly are you planning on smoking DMT, not in your room or a carpark etc I hope? The stupid dreamer in his childhood once did acid at boarding school and had to deal with a nosey teacher asking him if he was alright, so fortunate that he wasn't peaking at that point because that would've ruined his entire education if he'd've been busted. The problem is though, it's also risky to be mixing up medicine and incapacitating yourself in an abandoned shed in the countryside too. You really do need a 'safehouse' for this kind of thing, either yours or a trusted friend whith their own place.

I do remember what it was like to be that young, so I do identify with you Maskedmartyr, and I understand your enthusiasm. But please, take it from me and everyone else here when I say BE VERY CAREFUL. It sounds to me like your mom is already onto you, so if I were you I'd cool it until I were old enough to leave home. It's not that long a time, relative to eternity :)

EDIT: I've got it! Why not attend an ayawaska, UDV, or Santo Daime ceremony? That is a way to experience the molecule in a safe environment when you are still living with your parents. It will also ensure that you approach the molecule in a good manner, rather than just trying to get messed up. All you have to do then is make up an excuse about where you're going.
 
maskedmartyr said:
had page loaded upto a STB tek thank G-D for the SWIM and abbreviations, was downstairs making a sandwitch maiting for my spicee in the freezer then i realized i left the computer screen up caught her in time to see her leaning over my chair trying to read the text, think she knew it was drugs covered it up by saying it was for chemistry class ha

so exicted for the spice in the frezzerr :lol:
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I´ve got a similar story to share. After 3 b´s I left out the box from lab equipment. What followed was a nearby police raid. My porn collection with the finest pussies went off, my little calendars collection went off shit! :lol: my books, the spice/5meo extraction chemicals went off, the original Bob Marley joint papers went off, literally everything what is most dearest to my heart (and includes sex, drugs and spice... :lol:) went off and I was accused of producing illegal drugs (which is, in some sort of sense, true enough, :lol:), like methoxyamfetamine (lighter form of heroin, You know, 😉). I can´t store the extraction chemicals at home anymore. Was it worth the extraction? I pray to the ALMIGHTY ONE for being so.

1 advice from the noob spicer:
Ever engagaged in an illegal activity, be sure to hide it before the all seeing eye of Babylon.

Selah!
 
Well, I have to disagree with the mainstream opinion here. I think that the molecule is worth the trouble, the risk and I don't see it as disrespecting your parents. They are culturally conditioned to see psychedelics as evil, they were feed lies over lies. Would you guys also find it disrespectful to do ANY secret stuff in your parents house?


A couple of years ago, masturbation or sexual acts of any kind would have been called "disrespectrful" if done without consent wih your parents. Masturbation was seen as blasphemy. Would you also classify this as unacceptable behaviour?

What I do agree with: You should not make jokes about your "stupid mom"...THAT's disrespectful.
 
I wonder if the OP had a breakthrough experience yet,.... if not I think the experience will show him how to be a better person and make proper decisions for his life, and he'll be in a better place to make the decision of whether what he had done is 'right' or 'wrong'. Personally swim doesnt see anything wrong with what he did as long he didnt spill solvent all over the food in the freezer.

And I dont remember seeing a post by him where he called his mom 'stupid'.... maybe i missed it though....
 
Well, I have to disagree with the mainstream opinion here. I think that the molecule is worth the trouble, the risk and I don't see it as disrespecting your parents. They are culturally conditioned to see psychedelics as evil, they were feed lies over lies. Would you guys also find it disrespectful to do ANY secret stuff in your parents house?
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Absolutely it's worth the trouble, but not if your caught. I'm not disrespecting is the right word but it's definitely not something that your parents should have to deal with. I'm pretty sure mine would be cool with me using psychedelics but I don't think it's necessary to worry them needlessly. If I use them responsibly with a sitter, then what bad could happen.

I think there's more to it though, what if CaS got involved with the picture and threatened to take away your younger brother / sister because of the DMT lab? Depending on how old you are, your parents could actually get in trouble...Correct me if I'm wrong.

Best to do it in your own place where nobody but yourself or your partner can be blamed.
 
It reminds me of when I was 10 years old and I dyed the butter pink with my new chemistry set... oops :oops:

My dad took away my prize chemistry set and hid it in his bedroom... where I then snuck in everyday and continued to perform my experiments 8)

But I really was more careful after that and took responsibility not to poison my family.

I am sure that maskedmartyr will be just as careful from now on, right, little bro?

OF
 

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