mom just tried to read my computer screen

[Skizm]

Drugs + Parents = Nothing good (for the most part anyway)

My dad was big into mushies and LSD back in the 60s and 70s and I will never forget the first "drug" talk I had. "Son, you should not do drugs only because they are illegal. That being said, if you ever get your hands on some good LSD." My mother was on the other end of the spectrum, very afraid of drugs. When she found a pipe it was not fun at all. In the end I learned to respect the people that provided for me. Even if I do not agree with everything they stand for, I respect them enough to abstain from whatever it is they hate while I am in their house.

I cannot rebuke maskedmartyr because at one point, I was in the same situation and I learned my lesson. Events like this happen, it comes with the territory.

As for whether or not maskedmartyr's actions actually disrespected his parents and put the nexus and his family at risk, that is another story completely. Just be smart about the entire process in the future.

 

[gammagore]

Drugs + Parents = Nothing good (for the most part anyway)

My dad was big into mushies and LSD back in the 60s and 70s and I will never forget the first "drug" talk I had. "Son, you should not do drugs only because they are illegal. That being said, if you ever get your hands on some good LSD."

haha, cool first drug talk from your dad.

 

[Skizm]

Drugs + Parents = Nothing good (for the most part anyway)

My dad was big into mushies and LSD back in the 60s and 70s and I will never forget the first "drug" talk I had. "Son, you should not do drugs only because they are illegal. That being said, if you ever get your hands on some good LSD."

haha, cool first drug talk from your dad.

I chose my parents well

 

[69ron]

Well, I have to disagree with the mainstream opinion here. I think that the molecule is worth the trouble, the risk and I don't see it as disrespecting your parents. They are culturally conditioned to see psychedelics as evil, they were feed lies over lies. Would you guys also find it disrespectful to do ANY secret stuff in your parents house?


A couple of years ago, masturbation or sexual acts of any kind would have been called "disrespectrful" if done without consent wih your parents. Masturbation was seen as blasphemy. Would you also classify this as unacceptable behaviour?

What I do agree with: You should not make jokes about your "stupid mom"...THAT's disrespectful.

I was always taught by my dad that children are meant to disobey their parents and begin to think for themselves when they get to be teenagers. That this was natural and a sign you are becoming an adult. He said that teenagers who mindlessly obey their parents are not developing properly.

Anyone heard of “teenage rebellion”?

I think this is normal. About 95% of the teens I knew as a teenager secretly did things their parents did not like them doing. It was part of being a teenager, and if you didn’t, other teenagers made fun of you.

I think it’s unrealistic to expect teenagers or young adults to completely obey their parents. Not only that, I think it’s WRONG. It’s SICK. If you except your teenagers or young adults to do everything you want them to do, you are a control freak and have a serious problem.

 

[obliguhl]

It's at least a natural thing to do withing the limits of our culture, because we live our lives seperatly from our parents at some point. In some cultures, where the bride moves in with her husbands family, teenage rebellion got no place.

But I agree that in our culture, one has to develope a life apart from parents. I think it feels degrading to not be able to do so. The potential for conflict is big, even if you disregard typical teenage rebellion. People just do have different opinions.

 

[polytrip]

On the one hand i don't realy see the problem.

When i was a kid i did LSD every week and my mom didn't like it, although she knew.

Parents don't want their child to become a crackhead living on the street.
But they know that their kids do all sort of things they did when they where young themselves and they don't like their kids to do: sex, drugs, alcohol and the whole rinkydink.

I don't think my mom wanted to know the stuff going on with the girls and my dick. She must have blocked it, but ofcourse she knew.
Especially when the parents of one peticular girl where afraid that i would make her pregnant when we where both 14 (and they where so wrong about that because she was only jerking me of that afternoon, how can you get pregnant from that?:? ).

That's sort of the agony of being a parent.

So i think the main point is that we on this forum, for the sake of our good name and such cannot openly say that it's OK for minors to use illegal psychedelic substances and doing extractions and such.

And that they should do their homework and clean up their room every now and then.

 

[obliguhl]

How do we know he's a minor?

 

[69ron]

So i think the main point is that we on this forum, for the sake of our good name and such cannot openly say that it's OK for minors to use illegal psychedelic substances and doing extractions and such.

No one is saying it's ok for anyone to use illegal substances, whether they are adults or not. No one is saying it’s ok to manufacture illegal drugs either. Doing something illegal is illegal and can get you locked up whether you are an adult or not.

DON’T BREAK THE LAW. PERIOD.

That is not my point though. We all know teenagers and young adults living with their parents are not mindless robots that obey their parents 100% of the time. And while telling people not to break the law is a good thing, we can’t expect that everyone is going to listen.

I remember being a teenager. I know if my mom told me not to have sex when I was a teenager, I’d go out that day and HAVE SEX that day just to spite her thinking “who does she think she is! She’s not my boss, she’s just my mom. I am my own boss!” Does that sound familiar to anyone here? Maybe this is just an American thing to think like that?

 

[00]

Maybe putting naptha in your mom's fridge without her permission is a bad thing but its not the worst thing in the world.

The OP's story was just kind of funny and you all go on like he did something truely awful.

And it IS OK to make some spices if you dont think so DONT fucking do it but leave other people alone. Illegal or not. You can look up the legal history of the United States to see how fucked up their laws are.

If even people who are supposedly using drugs say not to how are there every going to be more sensible laws.

 

[maymay]

If I were you,I would definitely try to know my parents a little bit better.I would try to approach the subject slowly and see what their opinion is.You never know,maybe one of them, if not both,tried psycoactive substances in their teens or in college(you never know) and they could be pretty open-minded to the subject.I,myself,have based my relationship with my parents on trust...it's pretty helpful when you want to try something new and you can sit down and discuss it with the people who look after you...if you play your cards well,your parent-child relationship will be one of trust and support,even if they don't fully agree with your decision,they will let you experience to find out for yourself if it was a good call...This relationship can't be broken if you build it right,it will last forever,and who could you trust more than your own parents?,even later in life when you go in different directions you can still call them and ask for their opinion if you are not sure when facing a difficult decision that could change your life drastically...
It's just my opinion...but if we come to think about it,it was a pretty close call there,you almost got busted

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Maybe putting naptha in your mom's fridge without her permission is a bad thing but its not the worst thing in the world.

The OP's story was just kind of funny and you all go on like he did something truely awful.

Wow...just, wow! I can't even begin to explain how much you missed the point of what was going on here. The issue was that he was operating without full disclosure in a house that was not his...as far as what his theoretical actions were...that's of another matter entirely. Your rant was very misplaced and really has nothing to do with this discussion at all. Yes, US drug laws are fucked up and come out of a culture of xenophobia and prison/industrial complex economy (in part) but those are not the issues here.

And it IS OK to make some spices if you dont think so DONT fucking do it but leave other people alone. Illegal or not. You can look up the legal history of the United States to see how fucked up their laws are.

Ummm, really, IS it ok? I dunno man you're posting on the DMT Nexus people probably agree with that sentiment...so who are you ranting at? Yes, some individuals restrict their work to thought experiments and polar bear hypotheticals or have their parrots, lizards, etc. do these extractions only where law permits...Are you getting the picture yet?

If even people who are supposedly using drugs say not to how are there every going to be more sensible laws.

No, if people who are using drugs dont act sensibly and stop retards from getting busted because their parents think they're making meth in their freezer then those individuals who use drugs are going to have to deal with worse laws and more restrictions. I'm trying to be as level headed as possible about this, but your post presents a truly staggering amount of immaturity with respect to the ways in which we can protect the spirit molecule...

peace

 

[00]

Maybe putting naptha in your mom's fridge without her permission is a bad thing but its not the worst thing in the world.

The OP's story was just kind of funny and you all go on like he did something truely awful.

Wow...just, wow! I can't even begin to explain how much you missed the point of what was going on here. The issue was that he was operating without full disclosure in a house that was not his...

Thats funny too.

So you are all making three pages of excitements cause he had a lil secret!?

I dont think that not "disclosing" everything that you do to the people whom you live with is the worst thing in the world. Even if you dont own the place.

 

[jamie]

It might not be soo funny when his mom freaks out thinking hes extracting the newest "dope" to hit the streets and calls the cops on his ass, and DMT ends up in the news again...

I personally dont want to see DMT raised into the mainstream attention the way something like MDMA has been..

It's not about what is wrong or what is right for the OP to be doing..thats a whole other story..but while DMT is illegal..it's not on anyones radar right now..best to keep in that way. With great power comes great responcibility..If we all do our part to not let spice become the DEA's newest scapegoat it would be great.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Thats funny too.
So you are all making three pages of excitements cause he had a lil secret!?
I dont think that not "disclosing" everything that you do to the people whom you live with is the worst thing in the world. Even if you dont own the place.

aaaand you're still missing the point...again highlighting your inability to stop and look at either the whole situation that's going on here or the Nexus Attitude

Here, I think I may be coming across in a manner I do not intend, so to clarify, I broke out some relevant sections from the Attitude that you may wish to familiarize yourself with:

• No discussion is allowed about synthesis of illegal substances, since it requires highly dangerous and watched chemicals.
• We wish to discourage “reckless” exposure of spice preparation or use...

Now do you see the issues in relation to the OP?

please, let's show some respect for this incredibly special community...

 

[The Traveler]

Maybe putting naptha in your mom's fridge without her permission is a bad thing but its not the worst thing in the world.

The OP's story was just kind of funny and you all go on like he did something truely awful.

Wow...just, wow! I can't even begin to explain how much you missed the point of what was going on here. The issue was that he was operating without full disclosure in a house that was not his...

Thats funny too.

So you are all making three pages of excitements cause he had a lil secret!?

I dont think that not "disclosing" everything that you do to the people whom you live with is the worst thing in the world. Even if you dont own the place.

What IS a problem is if he gets busted and maybe his parents with him, it's their house thats turned into a lab you know. I think you are missing the scope of this all. This is not about keeping a small and funny secret but about legal repercussions, either if his parents turn him in or maybe even for his whole family if somebody else does.

You are also missing the fact that if he gets busted this can lead to the DMT-Nexus and that it can be the start of putting the blame game to sites like us.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[00]

• No discussion is allowed about synthesis of illegal substances, since it requires highly dangerous and watched chemicals.

I am confused then. Half of this forum is about doing exactly what the OP was trying to do.

 

[The Traveler]

• No discussion is allowed about synthesis of illegal substances, since it requires highly dangerous and watched chemicals.

I am confused then. Half of this forum is about doing exactly what the OP was trying to do.

The word synthesis is central in this one...

Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[SnozzleBerry]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yea that

The reckless thing was the main one...the synthesis was to highlight a parallel to the fact that many Nexians choose to represent SWIM or animals as doing extractions. I will reiterate the fact that you seem to be focused on every aspect of this post except the actual issue (which you continuously dance around). You're still focused on finding fault with the logic of those who feel that maskedmartyr's actions were incorrect and THAT is EXTREMELY troubling to me as it shows that you are still struggling against some of the most basic principles of this community, IMO.

I would humbly ask you to consider how you would feel if you, out of the goodness of your heart, brought a fellow human into your home and without your knowledge this individual began cooking up Scheduled/Controlled substances in your kitchen, exposed your food to the solvents and exposed you (as owner of the house) to all sorts of legal ramifications and potential jail time.

Take some time and actually reflect on it, please.

peace, love, and kindness

 

[69ron]

...
What IS a problem is if he gets busted and maybe his parents with him, it's their house thats turned into a lab you know. I think you are missing the scope of this all. This is not about keeping a small and funny secret but about legal repercussions, either if his parents turn him in or maybe even for his whole family if somebody else does.

This is the serious part of this. This applies whether he's a kid or not. The whole house is a "drug lab" in the eyes of the law if he gets caught, and this has very serious consequences for all living in the house. They all get seen as members of the drug lab and can all be arrested, and they can lose their home. It would be very sad if that happened.

I hope the OP author thinks about that fact. But honestly, SWIM would have maybe done the same thing when he was a reckless teenager. So at one end I feel it’s good that people are reacting in this way to the post, but on the other end, I feel like SWIM is being a hypocrite by doing so.

We should give the facts as they are. Give information on just how serious of a crime this is if he is caught, and show how it can affect his whole family in a very negative way. I would hate to see him and his family arrested, and see them lose their home as well. That is a very possible thing if he’s caught.

 

[soulfood]

Just don't get caught. Simples!

Also if you are viewing pages like that when your folks have access to what you are doing, I hope you're thoroughly deleting your history.