nen888 said:
blue lunar night - sphorange is a mischievous elf, don't you know? lol
i thought i detected a kindred button-pusher
you're a strange one sphorange, but i don't hold it against you
solid post nen. sorry for the long response, which i'll probably regret later.
but i'd like to address your characterization of the situation.
i’m truly feeling sorry for the majority of people of middle-eastern appearance in Europe at the moment...
i absolutely believe that it is because of the increased alienation, discrimination against anyone of ‘Islamic’ background, that an increasing number of these few unstable people carry out these acts of violence which really can only say one thing - ‘i feel alienated’, whatever hate-fuelled memes have influenced them..let’s go back to before the events of 2001, and the subsequent invasion of Iraq..
was there a terrorism problem, really? ..when everyone starts staring at you funny because you look a certain way, but you haven’t done anything wrong, how’s that going to boost your psychology?
i sympathize with secular and christian middle-easterners who are unfairly profiled, and with muslims reformers who are risking their lives to bring some sanity to their culture.
i have real compassion for people born into Islamic ideology... not their fault.
true moderate muslims = westernized muslims.
secular humanist western culture is the mitigating factor.
the sunnis and shiites were bombing each other long before they had the opportunity to do it in the west.
the sufis should understand the sickness in Islam better than anyone, with all the persecution they've endured.
have you read the quran? it is bloodthirsty, tyrannical, and tribal in the worst possible sense.
Beheading in Islam (wikipedia)
'Islam' = 'Submission'.
sure there's nasty stuff in the old testament too, but these days you don't see baptists or orthodox jews setting off bombs in airports or driving trucks into crowds of people.
every 10 years a nutjob christian shoots a couple people at an abortion clinic, and is immediately condemned by all of western society.
muslim attacks in europe now seem to be happening on a weekly basis, and the muslim outcry is is distinctly tepid, and mostly limited to twitter hashtags.
just
yesterday there was another axe attack on a german train, the guy was screaming 'Allahu Akbar!”
and
today in france, a mother and her 2 daughters were stabbed by a moroccan migrant outside their apartment for being 'scantily clad' - in shorts and t-shirts.
do you know anything about the partition of india and pakistan?
massive brutal violence, on both sides, with up to a million hindus murdered by muslims during the separation.
hellish atrocity.
hindus tend to be pretty accepting of diversity – they're real big on the 'many paths to one source' idea, the 'everyone's an avatar' idea.
muslims, not so much.
don't even get me started about the massive arab slave trade, which dwarfed the european trade and continues to this day. which gave us the very word 'slave', from the captured Slavic peoples of central Europe, and raided villages as far away as the coasts of ireland and iceland.
most people in britain, germany and sweden started off 100% eager to help their poor middle eastern friends.
these countries are the #1 champions of multicultural society in Europe.
they constantly self-flagellate for sins of the past, and were mortified at the possibility of being thought racist (many are still mortified).
their capacity for self-criticism, and sense of collective responsibility for ancestral transgressions, is vastly more developed than it is in the islamic world.
if they are now treating these people with a measure of skepticism, don't you think there might be a reason other than the spiteful nature of spoiled, imperious Anglo-Saxons & Aryans?
is it possible that occurences such as:
---ongoing
taharrush mass rape attacks in
NYE cologne, multiple swedish music festivals etc - (response of german government: german women should dress modestly, not travel alone at night)
---rotherham scandal in uk - 1400 girls as young as 12 raped and tortured by muslim migrants for over a decade, police never did anything for fear appearing 'racist'
---constant demands from muslims to accomodate their culture - remove pork from lunch menu, special prayer breaks, burkas in public, etc etc.
---
preference for sharia law among majority of muslims
---degraded status of women,
gays, etc in muslim societies (despite being widely practiced, homosexuality gets the death penalty in ~10 Islamic countries, and
52% of British muslims think homosexuality should be ILLEGAL)
[as a gay man, i find this 'problematic'.
at least the Christian Right just wants to 'pray the gay away', not execute me.]
---skyrocketing crime rate
---multiple mass terror attacks in europe, hundreds of people brutally murdered by lunatics shouting "Allahu Akbar"
---pervasive and blatant double standards, endless shrill accusations of 'Islamophobia' for voicing legitimate concerns
---all of the above downplayed and covered up by mainstream media
etc etc etc
is it possible that such occurrences might make native, ethnic germans & swedes & brits & gauls & hungarians feel legitimate
apprehension towards the millions of unskilled, undocumented people pouring into their countries?
most muslims may be decent people, but how many mass sex assaults and mass murders are western societies supposed to tolerate before they're allowed to express doubts about cultural compatibility without being called nazis, or "the extreme right"?
Can you identify a single net benefit to the European people brought by the arrival of muslims & their culture?
How is Europe in any way culturally enriched by these people?
and what about individuals like
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born former Dutch parliament member who has articulated most eloquently regarding her experience with Islam?
is she a racist bigot?
i grew up in the state of missouri (now live in oregon).
missouri is a fairly conservative, traditional, patriotic, working-class place.
the last few years i was there, seeing burka'd women in the grocery store had become a regular occurrence.
it always gave me a visceral reaction, made me sick to my stomach.
burka women in missouri is akin to a woman walking the streets of Riyadh in a thong and nipple tassels.
in Riyadh, that woman would be killed right then and there in the street, but in the US we can't even express misgivings without being accused of racism.
what kind of double standard is that?
Sikhs are now a significant immigrant population in the western world.
they are brown, wear large turbans, have a martial/warrior culture, and their religious imagery features a lot of swords and weapons.
mysteriously, 'Sikhophobia' is nonexistent.
occasionally an idiot might mistake one for a muslim, but otherwise western/euro/white people have nothing whatsoever against the Sikhs.
Why? because they integrate well, and don't make demands.
they often join the military of their adopted countries, and get nothing but respect from 'racist rightwingers'.
they also have their own unhappy history with the muslims.
so please stop pretending that muslims have no responsibility in all of this.
that kind of 'free pass' is exactly what enables characters like trump to rise to power.
the european medieval notion of ‘chivalry’ was learned from crusaders who were astonished at how well the middle-easterners (at that time) treated their women..
what is your source for this?
chivalry as a concept first congealed in 12th century France, with roots in the holy roman empire / early middle ages of central europe.
true, it was later somewhat influenced by the Moors of Spain and southern France (European territory conquered by Muslims), but the indigenous Europeans absorbed the Arabic culture which had been imposed upon them, and were not, as you depict, barbaric crusaders shamed into good behavior by the civility of their victims.
’race’ does not exist in biological terms for humans…genetic diversity, in the hands of nature, is more the difference between trees and birds
race obviously has a genetic component.
even i sometimes find it uncomfortable to think about, but i don't deny the reality of its existence.
genetic diversity exists on a macro scale, like trees and birds, and also on a micro scale, in the nuances, the subspecies, strains, and varieties.
culture and genetics mutually explicate each other over many generations.
if ones accepts a concepts such as the 'morphogenic field' or 'cellular memory', then it seems at least probable that the cells & dna can hold culturally-generated energetic imprints and residues along with environmental & survival-based bio-chemical information.
i would probably rather live in a multi-racial society with one high-quality culture, than a mono-racial society with a thousand competing cultures,
and thus give priority to culture and the individual, over race.
but if we’re going to discriminate against multi-culturalism as a concept, then should we not start with the nexus? ..brown-skinned and indigenous nexians can form the Jim-Jam jungle DMT-Nexus, while those in S.E. Asia the Yellow dragon DMT Nexus, and the rest can form the Supreme White DMT-Nexus…
very amusing notion, but interesting you how identify 'multi-culturalism', and then proceed to list 3 different races.
it illustrates how tightly interwoven they are in our minds.
A cultural division would look more like:
tribal/folk animism vs buddhist/yogic mysticism vs rational western secular humanism,
rather than brown-yellow-white.
the nexus works as a multiculture largely because it is a virtual space, anonymous, faceless.
it doesn't encounter the same problems as a real multiculture in the public 3d world.
we are a hybrid culture..diverse within our single purpose (‘Hyperspace’ or what have you)
some of the best and strongest cultures are hybrids, and probably all culture is hybrid to some degree.
but valuable aspects and elements can be lost, as much as gained.
so i'm for intelligent hybridisation, rather than hybridisation for its own sake.
the only hope is to reach out with care, sharing and intelligence..cultures do change, but only with strong and true ideas..
blanket generalisations of any group are, to my mind, below a threshold of intelligence required for long term human survival as a species..
100% agree with you here
