My Acacia confusa (pre) extracion thread

[tydel24]

a 2nd attempt at an acacia extraction is in te near future for me, im starting this thread because it seems im not permitted to post in most threads that id like to. hopefully in the near future this will change, anyways..
I plan to do an a/b xtrct followed by a mini ab at the end, and i would love to do away with my acid boils if i could, what do you all think is the best way to go about this. i would also like to freeze/thaw several times before hand,
also my last go around with acacia, i did an extensive defat with my nps, on the initial bark soup before basifying (not during the mini) im curious as to whether this is even necessary if someone is going the mini at the end,( which is mos def a defat)
feedback?

 

[HumbleTraveler]

I plan on going mini a/b myself next time. Ive always used cybs salt tek with wonderful results, where I plopped in my own defat before basifying. I dont plan on doing the defat step any longer, I feel as though it is a waste. As long as everything is proper temperature (ie not too hot) and everything is done not at a snails pace, it should prevent excess oil/fat from coming over with the pulls. The more heat and the longer things are left sitting, thats when all that stuff comes over.

The acid boils though, that step I wouldnt omit. But you dont really need to boil and simmer your bark, just boil some acidified water, then remove from heat and dump it into a vessel with your shredded/powdered bark and agitate.
You were going to boil your bark and acidified mixture on the stove? If so, thats a bit overkill and unnecessary. Adding your hot water to the bark is more than enough. Just let it sit in a warm/hot water bath once combined to keep the temp constant.

 

[tydel24]

yeah i agree, i feel any defat besides the mini a/b would be an overkill, and complete waste of solvent, your definitely right about the excessive heat, allowing it to cool after basifying i beleive would make a lot of difference, do you think the nps should be atleast warmed before pulling though? as it holds more when warm?

how long do you think the agitation should go after adding the heated solution to the bark?

using cybs salt tek without the mini was your yield goo?

 

[HumbleTraveler]

I do warm my nps prior to adding it yes to help maintain constant temps. Naptha is very cold stuff to begin with.

Ive always followed cybs instructions on the agitating, Ive done it 4 times and let it totally separate each time. I think its usually just under an hour. Constant temperature helps everything to settle and separate faster too.

Ive never had excessive goo, I would get a light goo film under my xtals which i would always separate as best as possible. I would do a re-x to fully clean the xtals from remaining goo. The goo always was ridiculously harsh on my throat, very very painful.

 

[tydel24]

so boil acidic solution then just agitate it in a container, keeping it warm for as long as possible i'm assuming, i know what you mean about keeping the temp constant and warm, but it would be a good idea to throw it in a fridge afterwards to cool right? to make decanting away from the sediment easier, i think this aids too in keeping the fats out, when it gets cold i assume the fats/oils tend to accumulate and fall, similar to throwing cooking grease in a jar and then throwing it in the fridge, i may be completely wrong but it makes sense to me,
i would most likely do a another acid cook on whats leftover as well, just to exhaust it,

do you use a shot glass or something similar to recrystallize, or just pour warm nps into your freeze dish and stir/swirl it for a few?

if we are lucky enough i guess the mini a/b will do away with goo and re-x step completely,
im pretty jazzed about it, high hopes for sure!

 

[8x8state]

re; warming naphtha.
its been noticed that alkaline substances do seem to have some coolness about them..it was noticed with an ayahuasca caapi brew also..how quickly it got cold and still...
perhaps working with alkalines requires a steady yet consistent approach..a cool hand.....
it seems relavent to the nature of swirling and rocking the base gently but persistently....
drawwwwing out the alkoids slowwwwly....
check out a tec in the health n safety section where someone talks of extracting with no lye etc...not sure of the details but stirring..with a stirring machine at @300rpm....seemed important.
its obviously unnecsersary with cybs tec but perhaps more attention to the 2hr base heat bath(or slow cookerfilled with rags)
period could yield results...thats what i heard..

 

[tydel24]

i think vigorous shaking is important personally, this will cause udesirables to cross over, but i think it would greatly increase the yield though, the mini a/b should clean that solvent up pretty well im assuming. recently got a new jug to use as my vessel, but its got a damn aluminum lid
, do you think it would work fine?

 

[Intezam]

... recently got a new jug to use as my vessel, but its got a damn aluminum lid, do you think it would work fine?

If you are worried about this, you could try screw-in/trap a bit of *parchment paper when closing the lid ...


*don't use wax paper

 

[tydel24]

i wasnt overly concerned about it or anything, but it is a good idea i suppose to maybe screw the lid on with something underneath it, wish i just had some cork board on hand to try to make a new lid all together,

 

[HumbleTraveler]

so boil acidic solution then just agitate it in a container, keeping it warm for as long as possible i'm assuming, i know what you mean about keeping the temp constant and warm, but it would be a good idea to throw it in a fridge afterwards to cool right? to make decanting away from the sediment easier, i think this aids too in keeping the fats out, when it gets cold i assume the fats/oils tend to accumulate and fall, similar to throwing cooking grease in a jar and then throwing it in the fridge, i may be completely wrong but it makes sense to me,
i would most likely do a another acid cook on whats leftover as well, just to exhaust it,

do you use a shot glass or something similar to recrystallize, or just pour warm nps into your freeze dish and stir/swirl it for a few?

if we are lucky enough i guess the mini a/b will do away with goo and re-x step completely,
im pretty jazzed about it, high hopes for sure!

Ive never shaken my stuff too much to avoid emulsions, seems unnecessary just shaking the crap out of everything. I roll and tumble, thats all.

You could always try reheating the remaining stuff afterwards, but youll likely have exhausted the bark by the 4th-6th pull. I never go past 4 pulls of 50ml each of naphtha, I find thats when oils and fats start being problematic and theres little to no important stuff at that point.

I used a small glass jar for my re-x of the product that had already been removed from the freeze dish. I transferred then re-x'd.

 

[tydel24]

ive never had a problem with emulsion myself, im pretty careful about not letting sediment get through into the final vessel, using the fridge like previously said to allow the fiber to collect at the bottom then pouring it off,( after my acid cooks)
does one re-x good enough to achieve your wanted results, or are multiples necessarry.

 

[8x8state]

i found this written;
just extracted cybtek style2x 100g acrb.
followed it exactly exept for freeze.
first 100g got solid crystal,yellow,tan,opaque.
second 100,different source..much smaller but purer crystal,
similar weights.
@ .9
newb so happy.
what could it all mean?

 

[tydel24]

someone used two different vendors, and extracted.
thats pretty much all i got from it.

 

[8x8state]

i guess it was only cos i read all about you acid boiling..freezing..etc and wondered if it was really neccersary...
not much boiling etc in cybs tek..its clean n simple.
do you think a more thorough process would increase yield..
maybe .9 is for free but the rest has to be earnt.
so in answer to your enquiry imo a defat is unnecersary on acrb, it came pretty clean without.
the mini a/b is also a pretty cool process.and i guess one could store the basic for a while, if one wanted to extract at leisure..
thats what i heard.

 

[tydel24]

i cant say from experience, but many i've talked to says freezing and thawing several times does increase yield, extra boils would also increase the yield i am sure. i really boiled the hell out mine last time, i'm sure i got everything, but i am gonna run it again, its been sitting in an acidic solution for a month or so, curious as to what it will pick up.

 

[8x8state]

gosh yeah...that will be interesting...
if swim could he,s room would resemble something from the frankenstien movie..
however limited space and other projects,not to mention he is apparently contravening some fat cushion covers rules...holds him back from the master plan.
thats why a clean low key tek works for him.
he will probably be refining the process over time..a paddle stirrer is in his mind..he thinks thiers more to stirring than thier appears...thrres a skill in thier somewhere,and being a clever monkey he,ll probably be fiddling his stick in that hole on the next extract..
acrb is fairly cheap and available for him though so not too fussed over every .01..
swim had some thoughts about using some kind of roller and really smudging the hell out of his next extract instead...
rather than stirring..just applying a minimal amount of liquid and working it like a paste...

 

[tydel24]

well ive alomst got everything ironed out, im really excited to get on with this but in the process of moving and funds are tied up at the moment,
has anyone you know managed to go mini a/b yet, if so what were your results, i thought about it, and if i look at my nps and it is still looking fatty or oily after the first mini a/b, i may just do another one on it,
also, are you using acacia when its done i assumed so but im not sure if you ever told me what kind used.

 

[8x8state]

a mini a/b is well worth it in swim,s opinion.
gives fluffy white xtals on acrb..
puts all your efforts together in one bottle...
and as we discussed if you wish ,then going back and really shaking hard on the bottle afyer the first ,gentle, extraction has given you the crystals, you will get a nice wax yield( probably n-dmt) also..
just use the mini a/b,s basic to further clean the product...!

:thumb_up:

 

[tydel24]

So, do u think it really matters how hard or long you shake as long as you follow up with the mini a/b