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500g of MHRB , 100g lye, 2750 h20, & 500 vmp.
csnt figure out where the VMP is. he has tried adding 30gs of salt. stirring.. nothing. add more H20. possibly neee to add alittle bit more lye or concentrate lye water. or he needs to transfer it into a bigger vessel. this is the first time this has ever happened and can’t think of what’s going on here. it’s in a water bath now with. a light van breeze. still not seeing change. any advise. i never seen chemistry not work and separate base from NPS
 
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What your buddy needs is to practice with smaller weights😉 on a more practical level, add a concentrated brine and put the whole container into a container with hot water.

This will help separate the layers, good luck 👍
 
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I think it's more physics than chemistry mucking you about here :)

Whenever my NPS has gone missing it's always because the soup is too sludgy and needs more water ( and maybe time ). Split it into further containers if need be and try diluting one some more, then wait overnight to see what emerges. You can't practically overdo the water at this stage as the DMT has all become water insoluble freebase and as long as you don't actually acidify things it will stay that way and dissolve in the NPS.
 
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fractals4life said:
I think it's more physics than chemistry mucking you about here :)

Whenever my NPS has gone missing it's always because the soup is too sludgy and needs more water ( and maybe time ). Split it into further containers if need be and try diluting one some more, then wait overnight to see what emerges. You can't practically overdo the water at this stage as the DMT has all become water insoluble freebase and as long as you don't actually acidify things it will stay that way and dissolve in the NPS.
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it’s been 2 days. so believe need bigger vessel more H20.
 
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A humble suggestion would be to, after mixing thoroughly one more time then split it up into two separate containers, in container one add water and in container two add concentrated brine and heat. Then report back with the results, so that we can learn something.

Good luck
 
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Varallo said:
A humble suggestion would be to, after mixing thoroughly one more time then split it up into two separate containers, in container one add water and in container two add concentrated brine and heat. Then report back with the results, so that we can learn something.

Good luck
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a humble answer. thank you. he’s been doing small 50-100g extraction. hes wanting to move up and try a larger quantity. i’ll will keep you informed
 
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Some very good points here. To pedantically/jokingly protest @fractals4life's statement about physics I would say that chemistry is still very much at play here too! :) When a base is added to a plant extraction, DMT isn't necessarily the only thing to be rendered water insoluble. All sorts of things can drop out of the solution. They likely won't make it into your NP solvent but they sure as hell can get in the way of it separating from the polar phase.. shape of vessel can also change outcome.

This really becomes relevant when dealing with larger volumes of plant material and is a good argument to make for doing several smaller extractions. If you are not diluting your polar phase enough to make up for the larger volume of plant material, your solution can become a mess. On top of the extra precipitate, your solvent is likely caught up with all the floating plant material - again, a case for either smaller scale or an A/B method. A/B is in my opinion much better in terms of having intricate control over your solution and much less often results in these sorts of emulsions. The time it takes scrubbing your solution of unwanteds I actually think still saves time over dealing with this sort of thing. If your dealing with large amount of plant material, then the stakes are high.. I'd really take your time.

If it hasn't separated by now I would either dilute the hell out of it or, if your confident you've mixed it very thoroughly, filter off the plant material. Filtering once basic is not recommended, however it can be done if your solvent holds all of your alkaloids. @Varallo 's suggestion of splitting into two containers is a great idea.
 
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acacian said:
Some very good points here. To pedantically/jokingly protest @fractals4life's statement about physics I would say that chemistry is still very much at play here too! :) When a base is added to a plant extraction, DMT isn't necessarily the only thing to be rendered water insoluble. All sorts of things can drop out of the solution. They likely won't make it into your NP solvent but they sure as hell can get in the way of it separating from the polar phase.. shape of vessel can also change outcome.

This really becomes relevant when dealing with larger volumes of plant material and is a good argument to make for doing several smaller extractions. If you are not diluting your polar phase enough to make up for the larger volume of plant material, your solution can become a mess. On top of the extra precipitate, your solvent is likely caught up with all the floating plant material - again, a case for either smaller scale or an A/B method. A/B is in my opinion much better in terms of having intricate control over your solution and much less often results in these sorts of emulsions. The time it takes scrubbing your solution of unwanteds I actually think still saves time over dealing with this sort of thing. If your dealing with large amount of plant material, then the stakes are high.. I'd really take your time.

If it hasn't separated by now I would either dilute the hell out of it or, if your confident you've mixed it very thoroughly, filter off the plant material. Filtering once basic is not recommended, however it can be done if your solvent holds all of your alkaloids. @Varallo 's suggestion of splitting into two containers is a great idea.
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thank you. believe th option right now…think im going to mix it up good and pour half into another 3L flask. dilute the hell out of it. if that don’t work then i’ll look into A/B X. don’t several over several STB. never looked into A/Bs maybe a cybs hybrid……?
 
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A little tip that works for me.. if using a solvent that sits on top, use a vessel that doesn't bottle neck at the top. If using a solvent that sits below polar layer, use a vessel that doesn't bottle neck at the bottom. (y)
 
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i believe it’s the source in this matter.a buddy i met does 1kg at a time he uses a carboy with the bottle neck cut off his plant material came out flawless. i brought the same amount over he did everything the same. and this happened aswell. so i’m giving this new vendor i wanted to try a big ole 👎🏼
 
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acacian said:
Sep funnel shape can prevent emulsions from clearing with solvents that sit on the bottom. But I've noticed the same can happen in the opposite direction. Sometimes a nice large flat surface area means the solvent has less matter to get through.
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i see i see like a big glass bowl or deep dish pyrex pan
 
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Sometimes a 5L more rectangle shape bottle can help to clear emulsions for me.. I often do this when I get an emulsion, then filter and add back to the sep funnel. Something to do with the shape of the bottle helps the solvent get to where it wants to go. Seems to work well for me anyways. Since your doing an STB I don't know that it would work the same. I always do A/B.

It looks like its clearing from your pic. Just give it some time I reckon.
 
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how much salt is to much salt? dude added 15g of salt to each beaker after splitting still kinda got some plant fats or emulsion going on and before that. dude added 15g of salt to the whole batch - day or day and a half ago
 
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