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Edit: i started this thread because of an extraction fail but now the topic is all my experiences with cacti (extraction, trip report, growing cactus, ...) 8)
hello, hello cacti extraction pros !
The name of mescaline is in my mind 25 years ago. Just recently, after discovering the main molecule on this forum, i though it could be the time to meet the myth and i managed to got some T. Peruvianus (supposed but who knows ?) from a legit source (at least for other products)
I did follow Kash's A/B tek because i felt that i understood it and i had all the ingredients. The result is very frustrating cause i only got a tiny amount of brownish goo that i didn't even try to clean(even not enough for a half of chiken, so for a bear like me...).
I did my homework, reading a lots of topics about mescaline extraction with no succes finding where is my mistake(s) and that's why i dare open this topic, seeking for help.
Of course, the first thing is the cactus quality. If there is no alkaloid, fail is the only option (BTW the taste of the green part of the dried chips wasn't very bitter. Should it be ?). I still have 150g of it, what could i do to check if it's a good one : make a tea with a sample ? With how much ?
Could anyone more experimented tell me where to dig ? I kept everything (basic soup, xylene) but the cactus itself.
This is the tek and what i did :
1) Begin by adding 100g cacti powder or diced 12in cacti cutting(s) to a pot. Add 30g citric acid or 200ml vinegar or 10ml glacial. If using cacti powder, add enough water to make it wet but not watery.
I used 100g dried chips hands crumbled (not very efficient).
2) To this add 2L H2O and simmer for 2hrs. Mix occasionally. Any cacti snot will boil off eventually and the tea should become nonviscous and watery.
First boil, i put it on the stove and i had to run to the toilet (you know, sometime in the morning your body choose for you what to do ^^). When i came back the foam was boiling over the pan. I lost about 0,75 liter from my 2 initial liters
3) Filter out liquid from plant matter with a cloth filter and funnel, and add the liquid to another pot. Reduce this to a low volume by boiling. Add plant material back to original pot, cover with 2L H2O, and simmer for 1hr. Mix occasionally.
Did it 3 time with citric acid and 3 time with plain water.
4) Repeat step 3 atleast four to six times total until the liquid filtered out has very little color. Discard plant material after final time and reduce all the aqueous cacti extract to around 500 ml. This can be put in a glass pickle jar. Allow to sit overnight to precipitate unwanted fine particles, but this is optional.
Did some extra-filtration with coffee filters (i discovered i like to filter things working with rue, i know, i'm weird) and reduced to ~400ml.
5) Now it is time to basify. Mix 50g NaOH in 100ml H2O. It will get VERY hot, it is recommended to cool the mixing container while stirring with a cold water bath or under the faucet. Add the NaOH solution to the aqueous cacti extract.
pH was 12,4. Is it high enough ?
6) Add 200ml toluene (or xylene) and mix for 10-15 minutes. Let the mixture settle and use a hot water bath to seperate the layers from the emulsion if necessary. The layers should seperate quickly. Seperate the layers with a pipet, separatory funnel, or syringe. Save the toluene in another glass container and put basic aqueous cacti solution back in original container.
No problem with emultion, i could crazy shake it. Everything at room temp. I guess the extra-filtration helped.
7) Repeat previous step atleast 4 times total. Discard basic aqueous layer after, saving the toluene extract which contains the alkaloids.
Did it 5 time for a total around 0,9L of xylene.
8.) To the toluene extract add 100ml H2O. Add 0.5ml concentrated HCl to this and mix well for 5 minutes. Check the pH. If it is still basic (pH 9+) then add incriments of 0.5ml HCl with mixing and checking pH until it tests acidic (below pH 7). Continue mixing for 10 minutes after. Only one acid salting pull is necessary.
Here, i messed up, adding to much HCL, so pH was 2,5. My understanding is : it should still pull the mescaline with more unwanted stuff, shouldn't it ?
9) Seperate layers, hot water bath may be necessary to seperate emulsion quickly. Filter and save acidic H2O layer and discard/recycle toluene. Evaporate the aqueous layer on a dish with aid of a fan and/or hot water bath. Never use direct heat it will scorch your product. Scrape up the crystals.
Did 2 acid pull and dried it with a cold fan for 36H. Result tiny amount of red/brownish goo.
The xylene is yellowish and there is a milky precipitate at the bottom of the basic soup
Anything salvable ? Or advice for the next time.
I'm still looking for solution on my side but, you know, sometime, when you're lost, someone showing the right direction can save your life (OK, my life is not in danger but i like a bit of grandiloquence)
Thanks folks !
Bisous
hello, hello cacti extraction pros !
The name of mescaline is in my mind 25 years ago. Just recently, after discovering the main molecule on this forum, i though it could be the time to meet the myth and i managed to got some T. Peruvianus (supposed but who knows ?) from a legit source (at least for other products)
I did follow Kash's A/B tek because i felt that i understood it and i had all the ingredients. The result is very frustrating cause i only got a tiny amount of brownish goo that i didn't even try to clean(even not enough for a half of chiken, so for a bear like me...).
I did my homework, reading a lots of topics about mescaline extraction with no succes finding where is my mistake(s) and that's why i dare open this topic, seeking for help.
Of course, the first thing is the cactus quality. If there is no alkaloid, fail is the only option (BTW the taste of the green part of the dried chips wasn't very bitter. Should it be ?). I still have 150g of it, what could i do to check if it's a good one : make a tea with a sample ? With how much ?
Could anyone more experimented tell me where to dig ? I kept everything (basic soup, xylene) but the cactus itself.
This is the tek and what i did :
1) Begin by adding 100g cacti powder or diced 12in cacti cutting(s) to a pot. Add 30g citric acid or 200ml vinegar or 10ml glacial. If using cacti powder, add enough water to make it wet but not watery.
I used 100g dried chips hands crumbled (not very efficient).
2) To this add 2L H2O and simmer for 2hrs. Mix occasionally. Any cacti snot will boil off eventually and the tea should become nonviscous and watery.
First boil, i put it on the stove and i had to run to the toilet (you know, sometime in the morning your body choose for you what to do ^^). When i came back the foam was boiling over the pan. I lost about 0,75 liter from my 2 initial liters
3) Filter out liquid from plant matter with a cloth filter and funnel, and add the liquid to another pot. Reduce this to a low volume by boiling. Add plant material back to original pot, cover with 2L H2O, and simmer for 1hr. Mix occasionally.
Did it 3 time with citric acid and 3 time with plain water.
4) Repeat step 3 atleast four to six times total until the liquid filtered out has very little color. Discard plant material after final time and reduce all the aqueous cacti extract to around 500 ml. This can be put in a glass pickle jar. Allow to sit overnight to precipitate unwanted fine particles, but this is optional.
Did some extra-filtration with coffee filters (i discovered i like to filter things working with rue, i know, i'm weird) and reduced to ~400ml.
5) Now it is time to basify. Mix 50g NaOH in 100ml H2O. It will get VERY hot, it is recommended to cool the mixing container while stirring with a cold water bath or under the faucet. Add the NaOH solution to the aqueous cacti extract.
pH was 12,4. Is it high enough ?
6) Add 200ml toluene (or xylene) and mix for 10-15 minutes. Let the mixture settle and use a hot water bath to seperate the layers from the emulsion if necessary. The layers should seperate quickly. Seperate the layers with a pipet, separatory funnel, or syringe. Save the toluene in another glass container and put basic aqueous cacti solution back in original container.
No problem with emultion, i could crazy shake it. Everything at room temp. I guess the extra-filtration helped.
7) Repeat previous step atleast 4 times total. Discard basic aqueous layer after, saving the toluene extract which contains the alkaloids.
Did it 5 time for a total around 0,9L of xylene.
8.) To the toluene extract add 100ml H2O. Add 0.5ml concentrated HCl to this and mix well for 5 minutes. Check the pH. If it is still basic (pH 9+) then add incriments of 0.5ml HCl with mixing and checking pH until it tests acidic (below pH 7). Continue mixing for 10 minutes after. Only one acid salting pull is necessary.
Here, i messed up, adding to much HCL, so pH was 2,5. My understanding is : it should still pull the mescaline with more unwanted stuff, shouldn't it ?
9) Seperate layers, hot water bath may be necessary to seperate emulsion quickly. Filter and save acidic H2O layer and discard/recycle toluene. Evaporate the aqueous layer on a dish with aid of a fan and/or hot water bath. Never use direct heat it will scorch your product. Scrape up the crystals.
Did 2 acid pull and dried it with a cold fan for 36H. Result tiny amount of red/brownish goo.
The xylene is yellowish and there is a milky precipitate at the bottom of the basic soup
Anything salvable ? Or advice for the next time.
I'm still looking for solution on my side but, you know, sometime, when you're lost, someone showing the right direction can save your life (OK, my life is not in danger but i like a bit of grandiloquence)
Thanks folks !
Bisous
