My Far Fetched Theory of DMT

[Kurt]

I’ve been looking into, reading up on, and partaking in DMT Experiences off and on for a few years now. I have an awesome case of ADHD so my hobbies and interests come and go. The only difference this time around is DMT struck about the same time religion in my life struck. And the two merged in this weird way, and now I’ve developed a theory anddddd well I would like some feedback. To be totally honest I can’t think of a better group of folks to run this by, than the DMT NEXUS forums so let’s rock. Before moving forward. I have identified as two religions over the span of my 27 year life. I spent the vast majority of it as an atheist. Then the last few years as a very strong agnostic. Moving on.

In simple terms. Like super simple terms. I think DMT is the god molecule. And I think what you are experiencing while using DMT is Heaven. In simple terms. I think DMT goes back beyond any modern day religion, and I think people have been interacting with this dimension for a long time. I also think. That the naturally occurring DMT in your brain, is released when you die, and your … rising to heaven if you would, is you under going a DMT experience. With this being said, this is why when one consumes or smokes DMT, they are simulating a death scenario, and are prematurely entering heaven, or why we know as the DMT realm.

But I think it’s far more complicated than that. And I know it is because if I’m remotely on the right course, I have 99% of it not figured right lol. I’m some dude who does DMT and overthinks it, right? Maybe. I’ve considered that and it’s definitely still a possibility.

So what is this DMT realm, why can it be something so familiar, and something so foreign at the same time. Why is there this creator like entity or entities in a lot of experiences. Why is it so profound every time you experience this. Why is it consistent. Mappable. Repeatable and observable. As if it was a REAL place that multiple people could enter from within their own brain, and find correlations in this altered form of consciousness.

This got me on the topic of consciousness. And I eventually thought to myself. What if hypothetically consciousness issss just…. Everything that is living. Maybe that of what isn’t as well. Perhaps consciousness is the stream that connects everything. Like a current in the ocean, flowing through space and time, where travelers and realities get on and off for whatever reason right. And this thing that you and I are. This “soul” this “energy” this “Being” that exists. That loves. That feels. That questions and creates. What if this physical body, just dies. This reality that my brain and body, being has fabricated for me shatters. And back to the consciousness stream I go.

Yeah. What if consciousness is the connection between everything at a quantum level. Beyond atoms and molecules. At the absolute CORE of our being. Beyond any molecular structure or strang of DNA. A quantum connection. Linking us all. Linking everything. And DMT is a key to that. A key to the consciousness stream where you see things that you have never seen, but someone has. Where you had feelings, memories, experiences, emotions, etc. that you have never had before, but someone has.

What if DMT isn’t taking you somewhere else. What if it’s not taking you anywhere at all.

But down to the quantum level of who you are in this thing we call “consciousness” that links us all together.

I’d go on, but it’s getting late and we have work in the morning. I’m excited to go back and forth with you all on this. I have obviously more things to say about this. When there’s more time

Have a goodnight you all!

 

[TransistorBass]

Look around the internet, this broad theme is everywhere. When everything is Quantum I guess everything can be whatever it wants to be.

As with most things though, I'll believe it when I see it.... I do enjoy some Alien Conspiracy stuff but for me until I see experience something for myself I'm going to have a hard time fully believing it, wanting to believe is not believing.

DMT is certainly making my brain think more about all sorts of things, not just DMT or when next to do it or how next to do it or how much to do!

 

[Pandora]

Kurt,

I have seen these themes elsewhere and I resonate with what you wrote.

Once you start working with DMT you realize almost anything is possible but it's hard to parse out the probabilities. All I can say is enjoy the mystery.

 

[Here&Now]

That's interesting if you came up with this all on your own, because these are ideas that very much stretch throughout all of human history. Especially the primacy of consciousness.

Though I wouldn't say DMT is the key to the full-blown God-like unity experience you're describing. I think DMT can trigger it under the right conditions, but 5-MeO-DMT is way more consistent in getting you there. If the topics you're describing are of great interest to you, that substance would be worth a closer look.

 

[northape]

People use the word quantum everywhere nowadays to denote something fundamental or at the core. In other words, it refers to the basis of reality, and using it like this makes perfect sense, imo.

There is a word swarupa in Sanskrit. It represents a very similar concept, and this philosophy is centuries old. As they say, nothing is new in this ancient world, but everything is forever fresh in the everlasting now (btw, this now is beyond the three times and is called turiya). Here is a little explanation about swarupa:

It is a Sanskrit word that is made up of two components: ‘swa’, meaning ‘one’s own’, and ‘rupa’, meaning form. Combined together the word means, ‘one’s inherent nature’, ‘one’s true form’. It often appears as a compound term with ‘Atma’, the Self. Atma-swarupa means ‘the intrinsic or true nature of one’s own Self’, or ‘the Self which is one’s true nature’.

 

[fink]

I like your thoughts here Kurt.

In even more simplistic terms, what you are seeming to say is that you now believe conciousness is fundamental and matter is emergent.

I would definitely agree!

 

[Voidmatrix]

@northape I'm assuming I should allow the honey mood period?

is released when you die, and your

It has been shown in rats or mice, I can't remember which, that have heart-attacks do have a higher concentration of DMT in their systems. As for other manners of death though...

Perhaps consciousness is the stream that connects everything.

What if consciousness is the connection between everything at a quantum level.

There are certain philosophical schools that posit that individual consciousness is definitely a stream, and the stream is where the identity lies, because you change every moment.

I Am Constantly Dying: I Am Constantly Born

Considering the nested and fractalic nature of the given "moment," I've left and shed a past self too many times to count. With each successive moment, I die; over and over again. Considering the nested fractalic nature of the given "moment," I've grown into and have become something and...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Being such a stream or strand and expanding on the idea, then we can use an analogy of all individuated consciousness is but one strand in the entire infinite tapestry of consciousness.

One love

 

[Voidmatrix]

Though I wouldn't say DMT is the key to the full-blown God-like unity experience you're describing

What if it is God-like in a different way than the white out experience, almost like being able to see the nuance of God?

One love

 

[northape]

There are certain philosophical schools that posit that individual consciousness is definitely a stream, and the stream is where the identity lies, because you change every moment.

How I love the idea of a mind stream. And when you start to look for this mind, it's nowhere to be found. Try looking for an agent in it, and it hides. It's like the ultimate hide and seek with God. We think that we are playing when there is only the playing present. Still, it all looks so freaking real and touchable and smellable, and I am here writing about it...

 

[Voidmatrix]

Try looking for an agent in it, and it hides.

That might be part of the issue; the necessity of physical analogies to talk about something that may not be physical.

But to a communicative consensus, such is necessary.

One love

 

[Here&Now]

What if it is God-like in a different way than the white out experience, almost like being able to see the nuance of God?

One love

I consider the DMT experience to be soul-like, if that makes any sense. There's still a sense of 'self and other', even if the separation between the two is becoming drastically diminished as you ascend into higher states of consciousness. But that separation of identity becomes entirely absent in a proper 5-MeO-DMT breakthrough, and you're left with something truly unspeakable.

So in my cosmology, the two psychedelics represent a progressive path towards the ultimate experience of unity. In that sense, what you experience on DMT is essentially God-like, in a relative sense compared to typical human life.

I also don't want to make it out like one is better than the other; they both offer a unique vantage point. Anyone who focuses on one to the exclusion of the other would be missing out.

 

[northape]

And all of it is possible thanks to the mind, whatever it is, if anything at all

 

[Voidmatrix]

I also don't want to make it out like one is better than the other; they both offer a unique vantage point. Anyone who focuses on one to the exclusion of the other would be missing out.

This is why I always kinda poke at this kind of topic. Simple using the term "God molecule" immediately creates a hierarchy in most minds.

One love

 

[Here&Now]

This is why I always kinda poke at this kind of topic. Simple using the term "God molecule" immediately creates a hierarchy in most minds.

One love

I totally get it, and I am basically one of those who create the notion of a hierarchy, even if it's not my actual intention to recommend one over the other. Like I said, they're both so helpful. In my opinion, for conscious beings like humans, consciousness boosters of this magnitude are literally the most valuable material thing on earth.

 

[northape]

This is why I always kinda poke at this kind of topic. Simple using the term "God molecule" immediately creates a hierarchy in most minds.

One love

Gods are many, in all forms, for any individual. You can worship whomever you want

Spoiler: Some relevant preaching

23 Those in whose consciousness there is no awareness whatsoever of anything other than the Self, the absolute fullness of consciousness, will not declare this world, which from the perspective of God [Brahman] does not exist, to be that truth whose hallmark is never to deviate from absolute fullness [paripuranam].

In Bhagavan’s teachings there is usually a distinction made between God and Brahman. Iraivan, the Tamil word used here for God, corresponds approximately to Iswara, the generic Sanskrit term for the personal God who supervises the activities of the world. God, the world and the jivas (individual souls) arise and subsist together, but they are not, according to Bhagavan, fundamentally real entities since they are not permanent. Eventually, they all merge into Brahman, the impersonal absolute and unchanging reality, and disappear.

When the world is seen as a separate entity by the jiva, there is also a God who manages the affairs of that world. When the jiva no longer exists, the world and God also cease to exist. An objection could therefore be raised to this verse which says that the world does not exist in the perspective of God. Bhagavan would normally say that the world does not exist in Brahman, but it does exist in the perspective of God.

Sadhu Om has recorded an incident in which Bhagavan himself queried Muruganar about the vocabulary used in this verse:

The Tamil word iraivan is usually understood as meaning God, the Lord of this world, and as Bhagavan has elsewhere explained, the trinity of soul, world and their Lord will always appear to co-exist in maya, and thus the apparent world does exist in the view of its apparent Lord, God. Therefore, on seeing this verse, Bhagavan remarked, ‘Who said that there is no world in God’s view?’, but when the author, Sri Muruganar, explained that he had used the word in the sense of the Supreme Brahman, Sri Bhagavan accepted this meaning and approved the verse. (Guru Vachaka Kovai, tr. Sadhu Om, p. 8.)

 

[fink]

Nn-dmt can definitely take you to a place where there is no sense of self and other. Speaking from experience, it can be a fairly challenging experience.

For example, I smoked too much then experienced/remembered what I now understand as the first moment my awareness ignited whilst still in the womb. There was no self, no earth, no humanity, no other. No memory. Just overwhelming awareness in stark contrast to the all consuming nothingness before. Dull red light and a bunch of blood vessels pulsating in a bed of tissue.

5-meo I have not tried, so I am aware I cannot make any comparison @Here&Now. These types of Self deleting experiences have always been difficult for me. If 5-meo is even more powerful at that experience then it scares me even more than nn-dmt does!

 

[Here&Now]

Nn-dmt can definitely take you to a place where there is no sense of self and other. Speaking from experience, it can be a fairly challenging experience.

For example, I smoked too much then experienced/remembered what I now understand as the first moment my awareness ignited whilst still in the womb. There was no self, no earth, no humanity, no other. No memory. Just overwhelming awareness in stark contrast to the all consuming nothingness before. Dull red light and a bunch of blood vessels pulsating in a bed of tissue.

5-meo I have not tried, so I am aware I cannot make any comparison @Here&Now. These types of Self deleting experiences have always been difficult for me. If 5-meo is even more powerful at that experience then it scares me even more than nn-dmt does!

Same for me, I've had a couple full-on ego deaths with DMT as well. They were extremely intense and terrifying, right up to the point where there was still an individual sense of self to be scared. It was DMT psychedelia cranked to infinity. And as for what happened after the ego dissolved, I couldn't really say. I only have memories of the return, where I realized I get to be me again.

That was a description of my ego deaths with DMT, but I have heard of some people using it and reaching what I'll describe next.

The 5-MeO-DMT ego death can paradoxically be scarier as you dissolve, while at the same time feel comforting, like you're fitting a perfectly shaped key into a perfectly shaped keyhole. The resulting ego death it produces consistently has the characteristics of Brahman from Hindu mythology; sat-chit-ananda, meaning being, consciousness, and bliss. It's a timeless, spaceless celebration of the Now, and it's a revelation of your ground identity, where all mental structures are removed and reality just is.

 

[Here&Now]

Gods are many, in all forms, for any individual. You can worship whomever you want

Spoiler: Some relevant preaching

23 Those in whose consciousness there is no awareness whatsoever of anything other than the Self, the absolute fullness of consciousness, will not declare this world, which from the perspective of God [Brahman] does not exist, to be that truth whose hallmark is never to deviate from absolute fullness [paripuranam].

In Bhagavan’s teachings there is usually a distinction made between God and Brahman. Iraivan, the Tamil word used here for God, corresponds approximately to Iswara, the generic Sanskrit term for the personal God who supervises the activities of the world. God, the world and the jivas (individual souls) arise and subsist together, but they are not, according to Bhagavan, fundamentally real entities since they are not permanent. Eventually, they all merge into Brahman, the impersonal absolute and unchanging reality, and disappear.

When the world is seen as a separate entity by the jiva, there is also a God who manages the affairs of that world. When the jiva no longer exists, the world and God also cease to exist. An objection could therefore be raised to this verse which says that the world does not exist in the perspective of God. Bhagavan would normally say that the world does not exist in Brahman, but it does exist in the perspective of God.

Sadhu Om has recorded an incident in which Bhagavan himself queried Muruganar about the vocabulary used in this verse:

The Tamil word iraivan is usually understood as meaning God, the Lord of this world, and as Bhagavan has elsewhere explained, the trinity of soul, world and their Lord will always appear to co-exist in maya, and thus the apparent world does exist in the view of its apparent Lord, God. Therefore, on seeing this verse, Bhagavan remarked, ‘Who said that there is no world in God’s view?’, but when the author, Sri Muruganar, explained that he had used the word in the sense of the Supreme Brahman, Sri Bhagavan accepted this meaning and approved the verse. (Guru Vachaka Kovai, tr. Sadhu Om, p. 8.)

I especially enjoyed the spoiler lol.

 

[BingChilling]

My take is :

Spice allow experience of different "state of mind" / "consciousness" / "perception of entity from different energy state".

What I mean by (perception of entity from different energy state) ?
Example = Entity as a human have perception based on wide network of neurons (Default control state).
With Spice network transform its structure, so in that case can exist independent
sub-level networks (Different (lower) entities, energy and control state).
Energy states is effected by volume of Spice, hard to tell how many of states are there.

So in perception of lower entity is accessed extraordinary experience. Probably representing deeper fundamentals of
One Goddess, Mother Nature (The Highest Entity). Respectively Her sets of rules, by which all lower entities are playing Her game.
Game where all entities try to achieve higher energy state, advantage that control/set rules for lower energy state, 1). But setting
those rules not necessary preserves lower energy state to not overcome higher energy state, 2).
Spice is for people as tool (or more then that) for accessing perception of lower energy state, to understand language of core
fundamentals. What can brings us potential advantage to achieve higher energy state. Evolution...

Example : 1)
LOW (blind guess >>>) HIGH
... atoms molecules bacteria elephant human earth sun extraterrestrials black hole ...

2) Elephant k... human. human body then lower energy state to bacteria or molecul state.

There is much much much more to learn or thing about, but I don't want overwhelm this discussion. This short and simple
written idea is my present belief, probably not final, and maybe never will be. Let's see how many subsequent puzzles can We solve.
Also I may use incomplete wolds combination, solving is in the process. All solving process is even harder cs other
entities (human super elites) are gate keepers of human (lower entities, labor...) time. Because sadly We let them.
That's the rules they set. Keep learning!