My super potent changa recipe works for hyperspace

[rOm]

No justine, I just do the 5MeO separately from salvinorin and n,n so far but slowly will start mixing up once comfortable with this molecule.

 

[Dorge]

That is so interesting, Mysmelf. I would really like to do a survey of the population of all people who have tried DMT vs changa/aya and see what percent find DMT as spiritually meaningful. But I'm afraid that it would be skewed if I just put it up on this site, since this is the dmt-nexus, not ayahuasca.com or "dmt-and-ayahuasca.com". Funny how people self-segregate. If you go over to ayahuasca.com and talk about DMT at all, they might even ban you. I got warned for mentioning it.

LOL WTF, ignorance is bliss. 'Ayahuasca contains DMT', reply: 'La, la, la, not listening, say that again and we'll ban you.'

I used to be a mod on the aya forum. The place degenerated into a haven for zealotry and lots of ego. I went there excited about changa posting about it... I might as well have walked into a church and took a shit. With a few days old friends fom there had been publicly writing articles to renounce anything I had to say about changa publicly. Lost friends over it.

What it boils down too is politics. They hope to get ayahuasca legally recognized as a church sacrament and to do that they have to keep dmt out of the public attention. Smoked dmt cannot be to them equated with ayahuasca and neither can extractions. Though a tea is a chemical extraction... Jesus...
I fought against them so much they finally dropped their all out attack on my site. Man it was sad, such bullying. One guy threatened to expose who I really am to the public if I didn't take down my site or edit it to his liking! They tried to BLACKMAIL ME! I've no love for the aya forum. The biggest issue hey had was that I called changa the evolution of ayahuasca ( technologically speaking) and did he worst thing they could imagine, combine smoked extracts with caapi! It ruined their whole political strategy!

 

[Apoc]

I used to be a mod on the aya forum. The place degenerated into a haven for zealotry and lots of ego. I went there excited about changa posting about it... I might as well have walked into a church and took a shit.

lol. Sad, but lol.

What it boils down too is politics. They hope to get ayahuasca legally recognized as a church sacrament and to do that they have to keep dmt out of the public attention. Smoked dmt cannot be to them equated with ayahuasca and neither can extractions.

That's what I figured. It's a silly thing, but I can't blame them because that strategy has actually had some success. I could see why they would want to try to use the same strategy to succeed more. However, it seems the most likely times that religious use arguments work in America is when the argument is presented by non Americans, or Native Americans. If a white guy says he uses ayahuasca as medicine, he's a deviant and a freak, but if a native uses ayahuasca, it's a rich cultural heritage that should not be denied...... generalizing big time of course. A lot of times, not even natives enjoy the right to their spiritual practice ie: peyote in America. And, for some reason, the state also seems to be more likely to allow things that are plants, and not extract. Marijuana is a big exception of course. Maybe it's because the mere dried leaf is so potent.


Sorry about your bad experiences at the ayahuasca board.

 

[Nitegazer]

I found the conversation in this thread enlightening. At one point one of the posters suguested a poll, which I have developed here:

Effects of smoked/vaped crystals vs. changa/aya

Please stop by and express yourself.

 

[Dorge]

The political strategy to me is assanign we need people to realize that dmt need not be schedualed as well.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

The political strategy to me is assanign we need people to realize that dmt need not be schedualed as well.

Agreed!

 

[Apoc]

The political strategy to me is assanign we need people to realize that dmt need not be schedualed as well.

I agree, that plant only strategy is foolish, but it has only worked because those in charge are foolish enough to.... sort of accept certain things, and criminalize others with a ridiculously heavy hand, even though both acts are the same in essence. The ayahuasca folks are just holding out hope that their plant medicine strategy will gain even further recognition, which I don't think it will. I'm just talking about their theory here, their actions towards you are totally unacceptable. I agree people need to realize dmt should not be scheduled.

 

[strawberriklimaxxx]

Agreed!

Im with you.. unfortunately there will always be that one person that takes it too far...i hear that most delics are anti addictive
...i have never found my self feeling addicted to any of them. however my ex boyfriends little brother managed to obtain the mhrb, and got so badly stuck onit he ended up saving himself (to this day)for his blue skinned nordic alien gf.....that hes still waiting for..lol
.i have never seen someone use dmt as a gateway "drug"(if drug is what u want to call it) he ended up getting hung up on shooting up speed even thought at one point shooting up 2 grams of pink Himalayan SALTS was a good idea!!! somehow lived through that
...and now is in jail for stealing his dads camerro! And the craziest thing is that he was such a smart guy and was so levelheaded! It makes me wonder if he did something wrong in the extraction process?it just isnt something im used to hearing about dmt users.but if anyone could .....it would have been that guy.lolsorry if i got off topic

 

[Transform]

lolsorry if i got off topic

It's more a question of resurrecting a fifteen-year-old topic, and still failing to win the zombie thread bump sweepstake. Better luck next time

my ex boyfriends little brother managed to obtain the mhrb, and got so badly stuck onit he ended up saving himself (to this day)for his blue skinned nordic alien gf.....that hes still waiting for..lol

Point of order, this isn't entirely unheard of in the wider world. It's well documented that some traditional Amazonian ayahuasqueros also swear off human-human sexual relations and save themselves for mother ayahuasca in order to maintain power as part of their healing practice. In a different culture, your friend/acquaintance might be revered or at least respected for his choice. Consider this - it's perhaps your culture that is sick, at least no less so than the guy simping for a blue alien (this behaviour also being an offshot of that same sick culture).

he ended up getting hung up on shooting up speed even thought at one point shooting up 2 grams of pink Himalayan SALTS was a good idea!!! somehow lived through that
...and now is in jail for stealing his dads camerro!

Fair's fair(?) - I read the other day about a bus driver getting jailed for smoking crack while at work, with predictably tragic consequences. Anyone can end up doing foolish stuff, often as a result of emotianal overload of some sort.

the craziest thing is that he was such a smart guy and was so levelheaded! It makes me wonder if he did something wrong in the extraction process?

He may have been adept within his own culture, but that does not guarantee a sound psychological foundation for any kind of game-changing, profound revelation Speculation about the extraction process comes across as somewhat asinine when you really think about it, unless his source material was contaminated from the outset - that being another level of speculation, of course.

I wish him all the best and hope that he finds a way to come through all of this with a net positive outcome at the very least, which can be hard in a sick culture.