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Mythbusters: Urban psychedelic legends

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I smoked a good bit of DMT for several days straight and then had an unrelated traumatic experience later. Every time I attempted to talk to my friends about the experience I started tripping, not a breakthrough but the body buzz was 100% and everything was psychedelic.

This was not unpleasant at all. If anything it helped me talk to people about it.
 
bufoman said:
Never coming Back:

There is not a known single case of this ever occurring. In some susceptible individuals it may be possible that hallucinogens can precipiatate or make worse pre-existing pathologies. ALthough this is wishful thinking or anecdotal.


I actually have a friend who's Uncle did mescaline and by the end of the experience he was schizophrenic. Question is, how is it possible to know if the condition was completely the drug's fault or if his schizophrenia was a pre-pathology that was precipitated by mescaline.
 
Concerning the "Strychnine in LSD" myth, look at this quote from Shulgin where LSD was actually found to have strychnine in it:

The few times that I have indeed found it [strychnine] present, have been in legal exhibits where it usually occurred in admixture with brucine (also from the plant Strychnos nux-vomica) in criminal cases involving attempted or successful poisoning.
 
Also look at this from another forum:

One thing picked up from my Chemistry degree that didn't get washed away by years of gleeful boozing is the following:

The synthesis of many drugs uses strychnine or brucine as resolving agents to split the products into their "left-handed" and "right-handed" forms. Having used them, it's not easy to completely eliminate traces of the resolving agent from the final batch - and as you can imagine, that job's usually not done with quite the same care and attention in an illegal drug lab as in a well-stocked pharmaceutical company. The end result is that there's often enough traces of strychnine or brucine in synthetic drugs like MDMA or LSD to cause cramping.

(The Organic Synthesis course used LSD and cocaine as its two main examples, on the grounds that students were more likely to pay attention to something that looked a bit naughty)

Any thoughts on that?
 
69ron said:
Do you know for sure it was real mescaline?

I really don't know all the details surrounding it. This happened about 20 or 25 years ago, so there were so many RC's that could be sold as mescaline like there are now. I suppose is could have been a DOx compound. Back then peyote was alot easier to aquire so he could have had cactus.
 
69ron said:
Also look at this from another forum:

One thing picked up from my Chemistry degree that didn't get washed away by years of gleeful boozing is the following:

The synthesis of many drugs uses strychnine or brucine as resolving agents to split the products into their "left-handed" and "right-handed" forms. Having used them, it's not easy to completely eliminate traces of the resolving agent from the final batch - and as you can imagine, that job's usually not done with quite the same care and attention in an illegal drug lab as in a well-stocked pharmaceutical company. The end result is that there's often enough traces of strychnine or brucine in synthetic drugs like MDMA or LSD to cause cramping.

(The Organic Synthesis course used LSD and cocaine as its two main examples, on the grounds that students were more likely to pay attention to something that looked a bit naughty)

Any thoughts on that?

The more I look into this, the more it makes sense.

This use of strychnine in chemistry is backed up by the book Beyer/Walter organic chemistry By Hans Beyer, Wolfgang Walter, Douglas Lloyd.

It would definitely be useful in LSD synthesis! Makes you wonder doesn't it!

Maybe strychnine is not found because people are using brucine instead in their LSD synthesis and no one is looking for brucine!
 
SWIM has never seen a synthesis of LSD that utilizes strychnine. Much less toxic more readily available cheaper agents like D-tartaric acid are available for optical resolution. Shulgin uses tartaric acid. No syntheses use strychnine that SWIM has seen.

I think people added strychnine or put it on the blotter alone for its psychoactive effects.
 
warrensaged said:
69ron said:
There are a lot more, and some interesting ones that have recently been created in the lab such as Bromo-Dragonfly which is active at 500 micrograms. This is a potent hallucinogen. There is proof of Bromo-Dragonfly being on blotter paper on the DEA web site.

Can you tell us a bit more about what Bromo-Dragonfly is?
Sounds like one of those lame "smoking blends" that they sell at on-line headshops. (I'm guessing that's not the case:wink: )
Or a new floor cleaner :lol:

WS


Go read the trip reports at erowid one of them I would describe as the worst trip I can think off LONG to far worse than any trip I ever had. No one got aressted or died or went to the hospital it was a safe trip a couples adult males with the place to themselves. The fellow who wrote it is a TROOPER FROM HELL!!!!! he did not describe it as being bad it was called "That feeling Again" or something like that.

No Bromo Dragon Fly aka Flying Hamester ha! for me not even a cold day in HELL. Check out the reporte


MV
 
bufoman said:
SWIM has never seen a synthesis of LSD that utilizes strychnine. Much less toxic more readily available cheaper agents like D-tartaric acid are available for optical resolution. Shulgin uses tartaric acid. No syntheses use strychnine that SWIM has seen.

I think people added strychnine or put it on the blotter alone for its psychoactive effects.

I'm not implying anything. I just find it interesting that strychnine could actually be useful in LSD synthesis. I'm not saying anyone is doing it. We don't know what techs people actually use in private illicit labs until they get caught and we find their lab notes.
 
The Traveler said:
* A college student took acid for the first time in his life and never got back from it. [...] Is this true or not? What proof do we have for both sides of the medal?

I cannot place the blame completely on acid but we know that it played a rather large part in the loss of my friend.

He took an awful lot of psychedelics in one go, he kind of returned, but he was never the same. He was in such a state we eventually had him sectioned. After a couple of weeks the doctors released him reporting that there was little they could do for him.

This is an obviously rare occurrence and no one is really sure what he took, but I cannot deny the possibility of a slight truth behind this 'myth'.

Sally
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Ive come across a couple of people who have been rendered psychotic as a result of taking only a few doses of LSD; they have been 'stabilised' on treatment but both have had further psychotic breakdowns since then-usually as a result of stopping their meds.I would describe them as having what used to be called schizoid personalities even before the acid damaged them.

Here in the UK in the early 90s there were several batches of ecstacy which were purportedly cut with smack.They were actually quite nice to take but I reckon they contained DXM, +/- an amphetamine of some sort.
 
Dirty drugs and bad mixes make this all very sketchy. Im with the beleif that purity and self controll is not gonna get you fucked up long term.
 
Oh yeah. I've been wanting to find a thread like this.

/rubs hands together

Let's get down and dirty on cannabis, here's a full quote of a previous post:

[some edits]
Steely said:
The first and what I believe to be the greatest outcome of this research has been this small (It's fairly long) article written profoundly well by a keen observer:

To quote one of my favorite segments,
LinkAbove said:
What one society or group or individual takes for granted as self-evidently harmful, others view as obviously beneficial, even necessary. In crucial ways, the issue of harm or danger to society as a result of the drug pivots on moot points, totally unanswerable questions, questions that science is unable to answer without the resolution of certain basic issues. And for many crucially debated marijuana questions, this modest requirement cannot be met. In other words, before we raise the question of whether marijuana has a desirable or a noxious effect, we must first establish the desirability or the noxiousness to whom.

For anyone wanting the hard facts about it's effects:

The plain, simple truth at the end of any debate on cannabis and its' effects on the human body are that it varies immensely from person to person. If you are worried, ask your doctor. Everything said is confidential when you visit him/her.

I believe children should not be smoking cannabis. There is a higher risk from pre-pubescent to mid teens for developing schizophrenia. Think of a 13 year old smoking, Spice, they are simply too young; mentally and physically not developed enough, despite the differences between being shot into the universe and forever a million times, and simply being relaxed.

How ever many reports there may be of marijuana causing schizophrenia, this is currently unsupported factually.

Addiction is not physical, as stated in one of the previous links,
Whitman.edu said:
The effects of marijuana on the human brain are numerous and complex. The psychoactive constituent of cannabis, delta-9 THC, affects the brain in a fundamentally different way than many other drugs, such as cocaine and opiates. These drugs are associated with the dopamine pathways within the brain and are subject to high rates of abuse, as seen with self-administration experiments done with animals.

Early research on cannabis' effects on the brain was limited by the technology of the time and was thus subject to influence by observations of behavior, rather than neuropharmacology. This lack of concrete knowledge about THC's effects allowed cultural biases to maintain fallacy that marijuana acted similarly to heroin. Research done during the past decade, since the discovery of a THC receptor in the brain, has refuted such claims. The congressional Office of Technology Assessment found that recent research findings, especially those done by Dr. Miles Herkenham of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), have proved that marijuana has no effect on the dopamine-related brain systems.

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter in the brain that is associated with pleasure. The neural systems that are associated with dopamine are known as the "brain reward system." These systems are intimately involved with limbic system, an area of the brain which is associated with the control of emotions and behavior. Highly addictive drugs, such as cocaine, affect these pathways and cause an effective increase in the amount of dopamine in the brain. Cocaine and amphetamines block the reabsorbtion of dopamine, thus prolonging and intensifying the effects. Opiates activate production of dopamine by blocking the inhibitory signal, gamma-aminobutyric acid, which would ordinarily slow or stop dopamine production.

It is in all fact, very much possible for an individual to become mentally addicted to marijuana. I have personally experienced this, and the only reason I stopped is because I went broke.

Not to stray from the already off-topic thread, but I began smoking daily again. The main difference was an entirely new perspective on life which is allowing me to experience everything in a well balanced manner. I do not smoke throughout the day, I smoke toward the end of the day. Mostly.

What people need to remember is that it isn't the plant causing the addiction, there has to be an underlying problem to it that needs to be resolved.
 
Actually some of the ,myths´ aren´t myths whatsoever. DMT is produced in the pineal gland and you´ll get massive burst of it at the alfa and omega... That´s why I participate in the psychedelic reseach, to correct the hoaxes!
 
I did not go through the whole thread. I do have an interesting myth someone told me. This person stands corrected after 45 years of age. The myth was that around the edge of the mushroom cap is strychnine. They would cut off the outer edge of all the mushrooms they picked. This person was in SE Oklahoma in the 70's so it was probably a scare tactic used by their peers. I finally showed them online the information of exactly what chemicals make up the fungus. Has anyone heard of this too?:lol:
 
Steely said:
Addiction is not physical, as stated in one of the previous links


i disagree

depending on the substance, and possibly a person's brain/body chemistry, there are varying degrees of somatic effects in peripheral tissues as a result of the central feedback loop in the nucleus accumbens. what happens in the mind may affect the body, and vice-versa


*edit* damn...i can't believe i responded to something over a month old, like a real noob.
 
I met this guy the other day said something about taking silver and pressing it to magic mushrooms. If "it" turns black (not sure if he meant the mushroom or the silver) they are poisonous. It sounds dubious to me.
 
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