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Simple wiki search brought this up: "Poisonous mushrooms blacken silver."—None of the known mushroom toxins have a reaction with silver."
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Mythbusters: Urban psychedelic legends
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hydrocarbon
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Dagger said:
A couple of times just as I am drifting off into sleep I have suddenly recalled my first aya experience; I feel peace and love as the ego slips away to immerse me in Oneness with all that is.
I definitely have an appreciation of sleep that I did not have before ayahuasca; every dream is a visualization of my true feelings, some more obvious than others.
DMTerrestrial
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bufoman said:
I'm not sure where your getting your facts from but they are incorrect. 5-HT/P function will not return to normal or even close. The last link on the page does talk about activity starting to return, but not fully. 5-HTP is the chemical precursor as well as metabolic intermediate in the biosynthesis of the neurotransmitters serotonin and melatonin from tryptophan.
MDMA very much so does destroy nuerons in your brain. It also destroys sites that create seratonin, hence the 5-HT/P complications. Google : "MDMA destroys neurons" and you will have countless articles come up proving that MDMA & MDA do infact destroy nuerons in your brain.
"MDMA, known by the street name 'Ecstasy' or 'Adam' was first synthesized in the early 1900's as an appetite suppressant, but it was not until 1972 was it first synthesized illegally and widely used and abused in the early 1980s. Not until later did scientists discover that this now called 'love drug' caused serious damage to the brain and its release of serotonin. In laboratory animals, it has been shown that MDMA destroys serotonin-producing neurons. Researchers have studied the effects of the loss of 5-HT axons in monkeys compared to that in rats is much greater. This therefore suggests that MDMA is much more toxic in primates than in the rat (Toxicity and Risk of Death)." This information was obtained from http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro98/202s98-paper1/Kyin.html
These holes are just neurons being destroyed, not marble sized holes. When you look at a image of brain activity spots light up in different colors. People who use MDMA regularly show less activity in certain areas. These ares are called holes. The reason for less activity is that at one time there were more active neurons there that have now been destroyed. It's sad that such an amazing drug truly is dangerous, but so is driving a car.
As you can see in the above^ image the MDMA brain has much less activity being represented by the huge amounts of purple area. These abnormally large areas of purple are refered to as holes. This image is from thedea.org/neurotoxicity.html The article is on the topic of Neurotoxicity & MDMA use. The article goes into amazing depth on the subject.
Hope that clears up the subject and sets the record straight!
Moral of the story, everything in moderation. Thought I'd clear that urban legend up.
Thank you Endlessness for encouraging me to site my findings. Hope this is what you were looking for.
Quote the source of your information. What publication is this from?
PrimalWisdom
Everything the light touches
I had a strange experience a few years back. I had been using acid for a good few years and one day I was visiting my parents. I was busy making tea with my mom and suddenly the walls started breathing, I felt like I was coming onto acid. I had to sit down and it got quite intense to the point where I had OEV’s & CEV’s very similar to acid. I had no mental effects like acid usually gives me. I felt fine but was just tripping balls. It passed in about 3-5 minutes, it was pretty enjoyable though. I consider it a flashback, but heck it could have been anything really.
Ricaurte research showing major damage in the brain was completely flawed because they used methamphetamine instead of MDMA.
I suggest you read more into this MDMA thing, its not as simple as some might make it out to be. Please read this thread I posted some about it
In post nr 10 I post a link to a review of MDMA neurotoxicity studies.
One factor you got to take in account is to read the full research, not just the abstracts or simplified review of the studies, because you have to check for methodology. Most researches into MDMA dont take in account factors such as: dehydration/excessive dancing/other drug use in life, etc.. You cannot talk about MDMA brain changes if they are analysing the brain of a person who has been also taking it in hot places, dancing all night, dehydrating, taking other drugs, etc.. So when they talk about "control" group, what kind of control group is it? Etc etc. And animal studies are also something we need to be wary of. Always ask/research: what animal was it (and how similar are those animals to humans regarding that specific neuroreceptor/physiology/pharmacology)? What dosages was it? What was the route of administration ? etc
In any case it seems there are some possible negative consequences to MDMA if taken regularly and in high doses (or for animals injected with absurd amounts), but how that relates to people taking in reasonable doses, with other safety precautions, in sporadic use, its unsure. Again, check the thread above, there's some more info about it.
I suggest you read more into this MDMA thing, its not as simple as some might make it out to be. Please read this thread I posted some about it
In post nr 10 I post a link to a review of MDMA neurotoxicity studies.
One factor you got to take in account is to read the full research, not just the abstracts or simplified review of the studies, because you have to check for methodology. Most researches into MDMA dont take in account factors such as: dehydration/excessive dancing/other drug use in life, etc.. You cannot talk about MDMA brain changes if they are analysing the brain of a person who has been also taking it in hot places, dancing all night, dehydrating, taking other drugs, etc.. So when they talk about "control" group, what kind of control group is it? Etc etc. And animal studies are also something we need to be wary of. Always ask/research: what animal was it (and how similar are those animals to humans regarding that specific neuroreceptor/physiology/pharmacology)? What dosages was it? What was the route of administration ? etc
In any case it seems there are some possible negative consequences to MDMA if taken regularly and in high doses (or for animals injected with absurd amounts), but how that relates to people taking in reasonable doses, with other safety precautions, in sporadic use, its unsure. Again, check the thread above, there's some more info about it.
DMTerrestrial said:
"The concept of "holes" most likely comes from a misinterpretation of SPECT (and other) scans which show the levels of activity (or lack thereof) in certain areas of the brain, by measuring glucose usage, blood flow, and other proxies for activity. Such scans do not, however, show the physical structure of the brain"
". SPECT provides a "snapshot" of cerebral blood flow since scans can be acquired after seizure termination (so long as the radioactive tracer was injected at the time of the seizure)"
And a quote from the same article you've linked
"Current ecstasy users had slightly lower SERT density than non-users, but the former ecstasy users were indistinguishable from people who had never used the drug".
Also the study from where the picture is, used the following protocole:
"baboon was treated with MDMA (5 mg/kg, s.c.,twice daily for four consecutive days)".
So a baboon named Shaolin would have to inject himself with 350mg of MDMA, twice a day, for four days.
subcutaneous (subcut)
Check attachted document.endlessness said:
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The Traveler
There isn't a guy in your local psych ward who thinks he's an Orange.
Even if he did think he's an Orange, he couldn't request you don't peal him because oranges don't have lips. An Orange would know this.
Also, if you're arms looked like snakes on any hallucinogen, you would not cut them of. That sort of behaviour is much more likely to be a result of an overdose of a deliriant like.tropanes.
Also, how would he cut off his second ARM!?!
The above 2 stories I first heard at the age of 12 from an anti-drugs roadshow that visited my school. I've since heard the story's repeated several times from people who.think they know better.
Quite funny really, but misleading is still misleading.
Even if he did think he's an Orange, he couldn't request you don't peal him because oranges don't have lips. An Orange would know this.
Also, if you're arms looked like snakes on any hallucinogen, you would not cut them of. That sort of behaviour is much more likely to be a result of an overdose of a deliriant like.tropanes.
Also, how would he cut off his second ARM!?!
The above 2 stories I first heard at the age of 12 from an anti-drugs roadshow that visited my school. I've since heard the story's repeated several times from people who.think they know better.
Quite funny really, but misleading is still misleading.
in my shool i asked my teacher is when people said acid, they meant like acid acid like car battery acid. She said yes. ?!
i also heard that it collects in you're spine and when you clck you're back by streaching or whatever, it comes out and gives you flashbacks
haha flashbacks man what a load of bull iv only ever had one and it was cool. way i see it if you get a flashback thats some good investment! £5 a month ago and you're still feelin it?! yipeee
i also heard that it collects in you're spine and when you clck you're back by streaching or whatever, it comes out and gives you flashbacks
haha flashbacks man what a load of bull iv only ever had one and it was cool. way i see it if you get a flashback thats some good investment! £5 a month ago and you're still feelin it?! yipeee
Magicman
Rising Star
I know all the comments about it were from a while ago , but it may still be useful;
Those hallucinations as you doze off are called hypnagogic visions and I get them , only in the weeks after psychedelics though, then they decrease.
Nothing to worry about as far as I know, don't know what causes it or what it is indicative of , but they can even be fun.
The inverse of those are called hypnapompic visions, you get them as you wake up.
Those hallucinations as you doze off are called hypnagogic visions and I get them , only in the weeks after psychedelics though, then they decrease.
Nothing to worry about as far as I know, don't know what causes it or what it is indicative of , but they can even be fun.
The inverse of those are called hypnapompic visions, you get them as you wake up.
Doodazzle
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MDA and MDMA:
Hole in the noodle eh? Olney's Lessions is what they are called. They are caused by PCP, when adminstered in elephantine doses to rats.
en.wikipedia.org
Also, possibly caused by DXM
Now, unto my other E-related pet-peeve of an urban myth, it goes like this:
Some recreational using party dude "is this Sas or Molly"
party girl "it's Sas"
Me "Er, and what's the difference?"
party dude "like, duh, everyone knows Sas is from natural sources, Molly is straight up MDMA, synthesised. "
By inference, we can read that the term Molly was invented to distinguish actual MDMA from "rolls" which can contain any mixture of DXM, caffien, MDMA, speed, dope, ect ect.
MDMA and MDA are both synthesised from natural sources, derived from the chemical sasafrole which takes it's name from sasafras, one of the plants containing this chemical. Molly and Sas are just marketting terms. In common parlance (in my area), anything in powdered from is usually called Sas, pressed pills are called Molly, and blue/green or purple pressies which are always cut with garbage and are sure to put a frown on Mr Party Guys face are termed "rolls".
Hole in the noodle eh? Olney's Lessions is what they are called. They are caused by PCP, when adminstered in elephantine doses to rats.
Olney's lesions - Wikipedia
Also, possibly caused by DXM
Erowid DXM Vault : Health : This is your brain on dissociatives: the Bad News is Finally In, 1998, William E White
This is your brain on dissociatives: the Bad News is Finally In, 1998, William E White
www.erowid.org
Now, unto my other E-related pet-peeve of an urban myth, it goes like this:
Some recreational using party dude "is this Sas or Molly"
party girl "it's Sas"
Me "Er, and what's the difference?"
party dude "like, duh, everyone knows Sas is from natural sources, Molly is straight up MDMA, synthesised. "
By inference, we can read that the term Molly was invented to distinguish actual MDMA from "rolls" which can contain any mixture of DXM, caffien, MDMA, speed, dope, ect ect.
MDMA and MDA are both synthesised from natural sources, derived from the chemical sasafrole which takes it's name from sasafras, one of the plants containing this chemical. Molly and Sas are just marketting terms. In common parlance (in my area), anything in powdered from is usually called Sas, pressed pills are called Molly, and blue/green or purple pressies which are always cut with garbage and are sure to put a frown on Mr Party Guys face are termed "rolls".
Doodazzle
Rising Star
Oh and haha, abou the infamous Orange guy/orange-juice guy. On the History channel, back in 2006 or 7 they did a series of 1 hour long shows about various drugs, one about wee, one about speed, ect. On the LSD episode they had some expert guy, a reputable scientist type who was in college during the 60's. He related the Orange Juice guy myth "one time I met this guy, who just stood there terrified. It turns out he thought he was a glass of OJ and was scared I might spill him".
I doubt this was an actual occurance, and the origins of the story...rather, some silly headed proffessor was relating an anecdote he had once heard, and never verified (It never happened. If prooven wrong, I swear I will eat my hat. Tell saint peter, this bet I'm waging extends beyond the mortak coil). What made me laugh was this PHD wielding dumb ass sitting there relating a myth that everyone has heard, on TV, as if we hadn't already heard it and all known it to be BS.
I doubt this was an actual occurance, and the origins of the story...rather, some silly headed proffessor was relating an anecdote he had once heard, and never verified (It never happened. If prooven wrong, I swear I will eat my hat. Tell saint peter, this bet I'm waging extends beyond the mortak coil). What made me laugh was this PHD wielding dumb ass sitting there relating a myth that everyone has heard, on TV, as if we hadn't already heard it and all known it to be BS.
Fractalyzed
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I think one of the major problems in accurately studying the effects of MDMA on the brain is the lack of purity.
"Ecstasy " has such a huge array of drugs attached to it.
Most people that roll, have done other drugs too. Besides that however, lets say someone has rolled countless times in their life and just smoked weed, maybe acid and shrooms (not shown to create holes). How sure are we that they have gotten pure MDMA throughout their use? Pure MDMA is incredibly hard to come around. When buying ecstasy, it's usually cut with a whole bunch of other things that we really have no idea what they are.
Especially now in an era with RCs, the combination can be anything.
"Ecstasy " has such a huge array of drugs attached to it.
Most people that roll, have done other drugs too. Besides that however, lets say someone has rolled countless times in their life and just smoked weed, maybe acid and shrooms (not shown to create holes). How sure are we that they have gotten pure MDMA throughout their use? Pure MDMA is incredibly hard to come around. When buying ecstasy, it's usually cut with a whole bunch of other things that we really have no idea what they are.
Especially now in an era with RCs, the combination can be anything.
biopsylo
Rising Star
the "sass" that i have come across is yellow/brown, and smells strongly of menthol (or safarole?) sass gives me leg cramps!
where the "molly" is clear/ white shard or powder and no real smell (that i recall).
cross check "rolls" on dancesafe,org , or get a test kit- there can be just about anything in there, and imo not worth it for a cheap bzz
where the "molly" is clear/ white shard or powder and no real smell (that i recall).
cross check "rolls" on dancesafe,org , or get a test kit- there can be just about anything in there, and imo not worth it for a cheap bzz
DMTerrestrial
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endlessness said:
Been busy lately. Slowly reading into the information. Thank you!
spinCycle
Life is Art is Life
My parents literally thought Marijuana could kill you, like one hit too many and you just dropped dead. They were taught to equate it with Heroin.
One that I heard several times as a teenager ('70s) was that Marijuana could make you grow breasts on any part of your body. I kid you not, I could not have made that one up.
Udderly ridiculous, of course :d though the idea of one on each elbow always seemed kind of interesting.
One that I heard several times as a teenager ('70s) was that Marijuana could make you grow breasts on any part of your body. I kid you not, I could not have made that one up.
Udderly ridiculous, of course :d though the idea of one on each elbow always seemed kind of interesting.
bonger
Rising Star
I really think the not coming back thing is true........my dads friends little brother spilt close to a vial of lsd on his hand and sat under a tree for ten years, sounds like every other urban story but i met every individual involved except the gone one he passed away after about ten years of being undr the tree. i guarntee other people out there can attest to this also in the carribean/west indies they make a bevrage called joyjuice which is often angel trumpet mixed with morning glory in which i know someone who drank it and was never right again def didnt come back ended up walking into a kmart dressed in all white with a unloaded shotgun.
no one has to believe me but both these stories are true
also in highschool people used to always say "if your wigging out on lsd take bendryl" pretty sure thats another myth too lol
no one has to believe me but both these stories are true
also in highschool people used to always say "if your wigging out on lsd take bendryl" pretty sure thats another myth too lol