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naptha or limonene?
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This is a poorly thought out question that really doesn't ask anything. It depends on a whole host of variables. Please read the FAQ.froggy said:
I would also request...as many of your posts have been hasty/poorly thought out/already answered...that you take some time, chill out, read through the forums and the wiki, and not post until you have legitimate and well thought out questions (or comments). I personally hate seeing the forum spammed with such inanity. It's nothing personal, just a simple request I would make of anyone engaging in your style of posting.
peace
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Sorry. Ive been in a bit of a hasty mood as of late. And this forum is whack. No offense to anyone, I mean its brilliant in the sense of whats being posted and the people, but im use to a different style and set up and alot more traffic and faster replies.So its actually hard for me to sift through pages and pages of stuff to find the answer to the questions i have, which i rarely find the answer to.
But anyways as for this question in perticular, ive actually found d-limonene i can use, which is what i originally wanted to use, becuase of the smell. I dont want to use naptha, but it is what the teks call for. But if I were to do a regular a/b extraction following the lextek, for the end, would i be able to use limonene instead of maptha for the pull? You cant freeze precip limonene correct? So would i have to evap?
But anyways as for this question in perticular, ive actually found d-limonene i can use, which is what i originally wanted to use, becuase of the smell. I dont want to use naptha, but it is what the teks call for. But if I were to do a regular a/b extraction following the lextek, for the end, would i be able to use limonene instead of maptha for the pull? You cant freeze precip limonene correct? So would i have to evap?
your not getting help because your clearly not helping yourself. you treating the nexus like its google search so why should anyone take time out of there day to type the answers to your basic questions that would take someone about 3 min to find on their own. whats so whack about this place is that manners are appropriate and expected here.froggy said:
if you care to communicate with other people that can help you thats fine but if you just going to keep blurting out 4 word questions and getting frustrated that none gives a shit your not going to like this place.
Phantastica
Rising Star
maybe thats why you dont like doing your own research first..? Have you even tried using the search function? its simple as hell to find the answers to such questions.froggy said:
froggy said:
dude, read the FAQ like snozz mentioned.
"The biggest advantage is, as said, the use of relatively non-toxic material and no petrochemicals but instead solvents such as limonene, which is basically pure orange oil. The disadvantage is that to retrieve the dmt from limonene, you cannot evaporate it (as limonene doesnt evaporate cleanly, it leaves gooey residues), and freeze precipitation also doesnt work (as even in freeze temperatures, dmt is still too soluble in it so it doesnt precipitate), so there are 2 extra steps, which are to 'salt out' the limonene by mixing it with an acidic solution, evaporating that solution and then freebasing the resulting product if one wants to smoke it (or just keeping the salt for storage or oral consumption), as explained in the teks mentioned above." -FAQ
froggy said:
You may find that questions like this are more suitable and better received in the chatroom.
You all have your panties in a bunch. Talking about me spamming up the forum? LOL. Its not spamming up the forum with what little traffic there already is. And ok so I just ask questions instead of going around hunting for answers. Didnt you once have questions of your own? Wouldnt you have liked someone to answer them for you? > :{
Too quick to condem me for asking question, yet I dont think being rude and snappy to me is an acceptable return.
But anyways, I digress, you all are a lively wonderful bunch. No hard feelings at all, for the most part, and thanks to those of you who tried to at least be a bit helpful.
I went ahead and bought naptha, since its was readily available at my home depot.
Il be sure to bestow upon you all the workings of my extraction, detailed pics and summary. Just cause I know you all are itching for it
And no more daft questions, I promise
Too quick to condem me for asking question, yet I dont think being rude and snappy to me is an acceptable return.
But anyways, I digress, you all are a lively wonderful bunch. No hard feelings at all, for the most part, and thanks to those of you who tried to at least be a bit helpful.
I went ahead and bought naptha, since its was readily available at my home depot.
Il be sure to bestow upon you all the workings of my extraction, detailed pics and summary. Just cause I know you all are itching for it
And no more daft questions, I promise
Good luck with your kitchen chemistry. Read a few teks, be safe, and you'll be amazed and how helpful they are. You'll be even more amazed at the results if you do your homework! People in chat can sometimes be very helpful if you have a quick question or seem to be encountering difficulty. Something I learned a long time ago about wood working is to measure twice and cut once... have the same attitude with this and you'll do well.
froggy said:
I take offense to this. There is plenty traffic on this forum but that's not the point. The reason there are not 50000 new posts every minute are because the information is already here... like people have already mentioned you have to look for it. Yes We did have questions of our own, hence work was done to answer these and the info is documented. These questions HAVE been answered for all of us. I feel like i am repeating myself here but you have to look for it.
(check my sig for a link to the wiki, all these questions could be answered by a browse here.)
Please loose your edge. The Nexus is well established and runs in a certain manner. Don't expect people to bend over backwards for you with that attitude.
That said, i appreciate your enthusiasm in these matters, and personally i am glad more people are recognizing the world of DMT.
Tho with the increased interest comes a world of difficulty's, much like this situation here.
There are some very dedicated people on Nexus, that work diligently for the community asking nothing in return other then a good attitude. Please learn to appreciate the work these people have done and do to keep the community safe from irresponsibility, shady attitudes and negativity.
Bluelight this ain't.
xtechre said:
errmm, sorry to cause offense mate. And i do most certainly appreciate the work of other members here, I look up to them with great esteem, which is why I come here to ask questions, and not places like bluelight.
id love people to answer my questions but i would never be aggravated that they expect me to put fort the tiniest bit of effort in return.froggy said:
no one is condemning you for asking questions. were telling you exactly why your questions aren't being answered.
athousandeyes
Rising Star
Dude. I am not going to attack you personally or anything, but everything everyone else is saying is absolutely true. Go check out the FAQ, it has more about the basic process than any of the teks, then move on to a tek. Limo is a more polar solvent and is not a hydrocarbon, like 90% of the others, like pentane (naptha), xylene/toluene (which are more polar, like limo), heptane (hexane), it is rather distilled from the peels of citrus fruit. Therefore it is non-toxic, and if you take care to sweat all the spice out, it has almost infinite re-use possibilities.
In addition to what has already been said, your question is so general, it is impossible to answer. Better for what?
humblecreature
Rising Star
I vote limonene.
Naptha is straight nasty.
You are dealing with molecules and its a whole nother world down there. I'm going to confidently assume that techniques you can/will be utilizing in a "kitchen" will leave at least trace amounts in any end product, even with cleaning procedures. The best thing would be salting out from the naptha, but then you might as well be salting out of limonene. Plus the stuff you are buying in the store is not being produced for what you are doing, so who knows what kind of extra trace amount stuff is in there.
You can consider it not a big deal, but personally after experiencing Naptha, my body never wants to be around it again. The added steps with a limonene extraction are well worth it imho. And the more chemistry, the better, right? :d
Naptha - product of Petroleum (crude oil)
Limonene - product of oranges 8)
which would you rather have in your body? (just breathing the stuff is enough to not work with it.)
Hey, he would have to read about the procedures anyways in order to do them. If you just added your personal two cents about the solvents, then he would simply get some feedback on different aspects and get on with it... I don't think its so unreasonable to get a quick census on the feelings of active users. And it would give other new people a nice thread to read; straightfoward title, simple feedback. But eh, I'm a newb.
Naptha is straight nasty.
You are dealing with molecules and its a whole nother world down there. I'm going to confidently assume that techniques you can/will be utilizing in a "kitchen" will leave at least trace amounts in any end product, even with cleaning procedures. The best thing would be salting out from the naptha, but then you might as well be salting out of limonene. Plus the stuff you are buying in the store is not being produced for what you are doing, so who knows what kind of extra trace amount stuff is in there.
You can consider it not a big deal, but personally after experiencing Naptha, my body never wants to be around it again. The added steps with a limonene extraction are well worth it imho. And the more chemistry, the better, right? :d
Naptha - product of Petroleum (crude oil)
Limonene - product of oranges 8)
which would you rather have in your body? (just breathing the stuff is enough to not work with it.)
Hey, he would have to read about the procedures anyways in order to do them. If you just added your personal two cents about the solvents, then he would simply get some feedback on different aspects and get on with it... I don't think its so unreasonable to get a quick census on the feelings of active users. And it would give other new people a nice thread to read; straightfoward title, simple feedback. But eh, I'm a newb.
Dimitrius
Rising Star
froggy said:
I'm not so familiar with the Lex Tek, but.....limonene cannot be freeze precipped from as far as I know. And you wouldn't want to evaporate it, as that would leave solvent residue in your freebase material.
What you'd want to do is salt out of the limonene with an acidic solution, like fumaric acid saturated water, or acetic acid/water (vinegar)....or fumaric acid saturated Isopropyl alcohol (anhydrous).
Look em' up if you don't already know how to do that.
Then base again. Then pull with whatever solvent. Then.....