New Harmala extraction tec

[Jox]

Hi all,

There are some of us who use new ways of extracting harmalas tecs, yet we are timid (intimidated) to represent them, as a negative response when I did it.

My tec is quick, almost no filtering, and all on cold. Some other members have similar tecs, and we circulate the information via PM.

What could be done to create safe space for it?

Also why there is no section on harmala extraction as has dmt?

Jox

 

[DreaMTripper]

Noone should feel intimidated here! But if you do post a new tek then its in the open to be freely critisized and if it works after people have tried it then it will get good feedback and speak for itself.

 

[ymer]

Can you link us to the thread where you posted your tek?

 

[Mitakuye Oyasin]

Yes, I would like to see this as well. We are all comrades here, or at least we should be, as we explore these rarely explored and yet to be discovered new lands.

 

[endlessness]

I dont see the reason why you dont want to share your method.... If it´s good, im sure people would be very happy to read about it.

But obviously expect constructive criticism.

 

[deadhead4eva]

Stop joxin it and post your tech lol

 

[a1pha]

Also why there is no section on harmala extraction as has dmt?

There are plenty of threads in the Harmalas Subforum. Also, there's a whole section in the Wiki. If your tek meets the standards of peer review then you should include it there as well.

Looking forward to reading your tek. Do not be intimidated by constructive criticism. That is the only way we learn, share and grow!

 

[Jox]

Ok I will repost my way, yet I hope other memebers who do it in similar yet different way also share theirs teks,

@ endlessness, since you are such an authority, and I conclude a professional, I wonder why do you suggest boiling?

1.
Defeating with non polar solvent 2x

2.
Add cold vinegar
2x, only for one hour each.
I did it few times to see if 3rd is necessary, and I had no harmalas,

Don't filter, but go with t shirt and squizze as much as you can, on later steps filter.

3.
These steps are as the other tecs.

NaOH
2x

4.
Vinegar + your harmalas for manske

10g x 100ml of water

5.
Redissolve in vinegar and add sodium carbonate for free base, or use it again for last manske.

This is so fast, you can do it in few hours, and my y yield is is around 1300 mg from 20 g of rue.

Also, I don't wash the NaOH stage with water to preserve harmaline, and for this reason sodium carbonate is use at the end.

Some other members use HCl instead of vinegar, and phosporic acid in last step, but they better write that process themselves since I haven't done it that way.

Let me know what you think.
jox

EDIT
This paper has inspired me for some steps, those with more knowledge are welcome to elaborate. Extraction of harmaline

 

[endlessness]

Looks fine to me

Boiling is done to increase the solubility of alkaloids in the vinegar/acidified solution. The heat will also probably increase the solubility of impurities though, and I personally never did a side by side extraction with different temperatures to find where is the optimum point. My reasoning is just to increase yields as much as possible in the first steps and later if necessary it can always be recrystallized/cleaned.

If I may make a suggestion, why don`t you, after the two cold soaks, do a boil on the harmalas for half an hour, to see if you get more out? I would be interested to hear the results.

Would you mind explaining why you think your method is so different than others? It looks to me like a standard harmala A/B extraction, with the two main `different` characteristics being that you do a defat before, and that you use cold vinegar. Anything else?

The defatting might help with filtering later on though I guess some people might not want it due to harmala teks being so `kitchen-friendly` in general when you dont use a non-polar, but if you don`t mind that, I dont see why not The cold soak might mean lower yields, but might not... I`d like to see a side-by-side or at least a boil after the soaks to see if you can get some more stuff at the end.

Also, do you do with ground seeds or whole seeds?

Thanks for sharing the paper

 

[ymer]

Do you do a defat without any water? as in just putting the seeds in your NPS and shaking?

Also, are the seeds ground or whole?

 

[Jox]

Thank you for your reply,

As usual endlessness you are so good at summarising the idea.

1.
I do it with grind seeds. The defeating is done only with the NPS.
2.
I will do the test as you recommended, in my next extraction in couple of weeks, I will try to do it without NPS, as I mentioned some members do it with HCl and with no NPS, probably feeling stronger acid is needed for cold extractions.

And lastly, obviously it is not much different other than the cold aspect, and no need to filter much, that I see a lots of people have hard time with it, and it greatly increases the speed of the whole process.

Jox

 

[deadhead4eva]

Im glad you posted jox seems to be a logical method will be interesting to see results when you boil after your process to see if there are any extra harmalas. Even if it is a lower yield faster may still be better for some i reccomend you go in chat sometime and work on ideas there or pm more often. I am always excited to learn new things.thank you.

 

[Jox]

Hi all,

The test has been done, and I did find some harmalas after cooking for 40 min, I am not sure about the amount but it seemed a lot.

I used to do a variation of my tek by adding hot vinegar 3x. I will do this test and then boil it again to see how much I got.

Boiling did make a process little slower, it took more time for sedimentation, and the residue liquid after basing was cloudy, yet still it is still much faster than whole seeds.

This time I did defatting larger amount, 160 g and the result was 148 g of rue, I was a little,surprised how much has gone. I prefer to report my # regarding the amount of rue against the final extract, but now I am not sure what the proportions will be.

There are a lots of variables in extractions, if you wash it and loose harmaline, or if you maintain the ph high with sodium carbonate you do get it contaminated, and after menske it just has a lot of salt.

In any event the next test is coming soon.

Best to all
Jox