New to pharma, info appreciated

[Skizm]

Now that my experience with spice has expanded somewhat I am looking into different methods of making, taking, and enjoying it. So naturally, my curiosity was intensified when I read some interesting pharma reports (Quasar's is among them ). However, despite being curious I am still a newbie so I wanted to describe my understanding of the process and possibly get some advice from others.

What you need for a pharmatrip:
1. Spice combined with lemon/orange juice (Dissolved spice in juice turns it into a salt?)
2. Extracted Harmala alkaloids (Extracted from syrian rue seeds)

Manner of ingestions:
1. Take extracted Harmala alkaloids
2. Several minutes later, drink the spice/juice mix.

What I am not sure about:
1. How does one extract harmaline? From what I understand you boil a mixture of ground seeds, water, and lemon juice. What is left over after straining the material is your harmaline extract
2. Fumarate is fumaric acid - Chemistry is not my strong suit, but am learning more from my work than my old classes so spice fumarate would just be the spice/juice mix?

 

[nadir]

Now that my experience with spice has expanded somewhat I am looking into different methods of making, taking, and enjoying it. So naturally, my curiosity was intensified when I read some interesting pharma reports (Quasar's is among them ). However, despite being curious I am still a newbie so I wanted to describe my understanding of the process and possibly get some advice from others.

What you need for a pharmatrip:
1. Spice combined with lemon/orange juice (Dissolved spice in juice turns it into a salt?)
2. Extracted Harmala alkaloids (Extracted from syrian rue seeds)

Manner of ingestions:
1. Take extracted Harmala alkaloids
2. Several minutes later, drink the spice/juice mix.

What I am not sure about:
1. How does one extract harmaline? From what I understand you boil a mixture of ground seeds, water, and lemon juice. What is left over after straining the material is your harmaline extract
2. Fumarate is fumaric acid - Chemistry is not my strong suit, but am learning more from my work than my old classes so spice fumarate would just be the spice/juice mix?

hey,
1.lemon/orange juice contains citric acid which will form dmt citrate salt
2. it's not necessary to wait some time after maoi ingestion. You can mix harmalas and spice together.
3.please read some extraction teks, there's loads of them on wiki and in harmalas subforum.
endlessness even made a brochure which can be found here Harmalas Extraction and Separation Guide - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
boiling seeds with lemon juice won't work.
4. fumarate is fumaric acid salt. It won;t form ust by adding spice to juice. Frebase spice has to react with fumaric acid. Check DMT Handbook.
good luck!

 

[Skizm]

Thank you for the link. I am having trouble getting into that .pdf though. How do you download it? :shock:

 

[joebono]

I find that if I mix my MAOI together with my spice, the trip is more intense but shorter. If I take my MAOI, wait a half hour then take my spice it can often last five or six hours. I have tried spice with OJ and without, in a capsule and without and never noticed a difference. Others do notice a difference, so you will have to experiment to find out what is right for you.

There are a few vendors who do the extractions of MAOI for you. There are a bunch to choose from. Flowing Visions offers a variety of harmalas and Celestial Source offers a full spectrum caapi extract.

 

[nadir]

try reading any harmala extraction thread, for example Swims Peganum Harmala Extraction - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Skizm]

What would the difference between Harmine, Harmaline, and Tetrohydroharmine be?

Are all three equally effective as MAOIs?

 

[joebono]

What would the difference between Harmine, Harmaline, and Tetrohydroharmine be?

Are all three equally effective as MAOIs?

I have used 200mg of pure THH with DMT and find those trips less colorful, more serious and more clinical. When I use the purified harmalas from rue, it is often more enjoyable, trippy, and visual than THH alone. Caapi Copy is the best though. That is a sweet compilation of alkaloids that mirrors the caapi itself. The trip is powerful, lovable, playful and intensely beautiful.

I recently bought some pure 20x caapi extract from Celestial Source and plan on trying that in a few days. I have a feeling that will be the best of all.

 

[69ron]

Harmine and tetrahydroharmine are roughly the same potency. Harmaline is about 2 times as strong as the others. The MAOI dose for harmine and THH is about 200 mg. 100 for harmaline.

There effects are all very different.

Harmaline is a sedative with marijuana like stoning effects.

Harmine is more stimulating than harmaline, more visionary, and less mentally stoning.

Tetrahydroharmine is also more stimulating than harmaline, and more LSD-like than the others. It’s more of an intellectual experience rather than a stoning experience like the others.

SWIM prefers DMT + THH over all the other combinations, even over caapi extracts. He likes the clear head space and the boundless energy it provides. Harmine and harmaline both take away from the clear head space.

Note that all of these can be psychedelic on their own. THH is psychedelic at doses of 350 mg and up. Harmine is psychedelic at 250 mg and up. Harmaline is psychedelic at 150 mg and up. At psychedelic doses, one often gets dizziness and motion sickness from them.

 

[Skizm]

Harmine and tetrahydroharmine are roughly the same potency. Harmaline is about 2 times as strong as the others. The MAOI dose for harmine and THH is about 200 mg. 100 for harmaline.

There effects are all very different.

Harmaline is a sedative with marijuana like stoning effects.

Harmine is more stimulating than harmaline, more visionary, and less mentally stoning.

Tetrahydroharmine is also more stimulating than harmaline, and more LSD-like than the others. It’s more of an intellectual experience rather than a stoning experience like the others.

SWIM prefers DMT + THH over all the other combinations, even over caapi extracts. He likes the clear head space and the boundless energy it provides. Harmine and harmaline both take away from the clear head space.

Note that all of these can be psychedelic on their own. THH is psychedelic at doses of 350 mg and up. Harmine is psychedelic at 250 mg and up. Harmaline is psychedelic at 150 mg and up. At psychedelic doses, one often gets dizziness and motion sickness from them.

Awesome man, thank you for the information. Looks like I will have something new to try with future experimentation after my shrooms binge is done.