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NO NEED To Invert or shake Ever ....just lightly swirl jar or gentle stir with a wooden dowl or glass rod .

Why vigerous shaking , inverting ,adjitated stiring...... ?
This is not nessary and just leads to emulsions .

Just an opinion ...feel free to ignore .
 
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I used the glass-topped rubber seal Kilner jars on my first extraction and the seals on those swelled up loads with the naphtha and leaked.
Best to replace them with a more resistant material like silicone.
 
Ow for me it doesn't happen often. What I do is I release the pressure from the hot naphta mix by "popping" the lid and then proceeding to the second round of inverting, etc. This prevents the pressure + naphta low viscosity from leaking across the rubber seal.

One thing to prevent is to not let the mhrb lye naphta mixture get under the rubber seal, because it can glide off.
 
Okay but if you don't mix the mhrb lye naphta solution, the dmt won't dissolve into the naphta.

I'm not sure wym putting your hands in the jar.
Hold on what? No. Once PH has reached 12 the freebase is no longer a water soluble salt and it now prefers to dissolve into the naphtha because both are nonpolar. Like dissolves like. The only reason you would emulsify your solution is to increase surface area but that only speeds up dissolving spice into the naphtha you don't get any more in there. I have no clue in the 7 hells as to what your intention is with HEATING A FLAMABLE LIQUID but godspeed I guess. You don't need to do that by the way. Any amount of increased solubility isn't worth the trade off you can just do multiple pulls.

As for the problem of removing the naph from the top of the solution I have found a solution... heh heh. I got myself a separation funnel. I have yet to test to see if it works but I am working with 1000g of MHRB this weekend so perfect time to test it. I also have other equipment that will help like beakers and a magnetic heater stirring plate but I don't really need those... they just make me happy and open a pathway to doing other non spice related chemistry

Also... I don't know how I'm going to consume my product... at lest for this week while I'm fresh outta money I'm allowed to spend. So I don't really have a piece of glassware that I can use... unless I can MacGyver something together.
 

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So I ran some numbers because I was curious about how high of a concertation of salts I can get in the acetic acid solution while cooking the MHRB. The salts have a water solubility of 35mg/ml to 50mg/ml meaning at 1.7% concentration of salts in MHRB and 1000g of MHRB I should have 17g of salts 17000mg 17000mg/35mg/ml I get roughly 487ml at minimum solubility. I started my process with 500ml of acetic acid solution so I think I'm going to strain and cook a couple rounds through but not all of it which should increase the concentration of freebase I'm able to put into the naph reducing how much of that I have to use. I also will need to use less NaOH.
 
As for the problem of removing the naph from the top of the solution I have found a solution... heh heh. I got myself a separation funnel. I have yet to test to see if it works but I am working with 1000g of MHRB this weekend so perfect time to test it.
You'd be better off using the sep funnel for washing the naphtha after separating it by some other means. Caustic sludge isn't very fun for draining through a tiny stopcock. Also, if you're not wholly familiar with these kinds of processes, I'd strongly suggest using a significantly smaller amount of bark than 1 kg, like 50 to 100 g.
I have no clue in the 7 hells as to what your intention is with HEATING A FLAMABLE LIQUID
This is done to increase the solubility of the DMT in the naphtha, and can be achieved with relative safety through the use of a hot water bath, and of course by completely avoiding naked flames, sparks, and incandescent material.

Also... I don't know how I'm going to consume my product... at lest for this week while I'm fresh outta money I'm allowed to spend. So I don't really have a piece of glassware that I can use... unless I can MacGyver something together.
You could use your sep funnel as a "Machine" variant 😁
 
You'd be better off using the sep funnel for washing the naphtha after separating it by some other means. Caustic sludge isn't very fun for draining through a tiny stopcock. Also, if you're not wholly familiar with these kinds of processes, I'd strongly suggest using a significantly smaller amount of bark than 1 kg, like 50 to 100 g.

This is done to increase the solubility of the DMT in the naphtha, and can be achieved with relative safety through the use of a hot water bath, and of course by completely avoiding naked flames, sparks, and incandescent material.


You could use your sep funnel as a "Machine" variant 😁
I separated the bark from the solution that has the salt in it. some salt is going to be left on the bark but I can cook it in water again and extract as much of that as possible so I shouldn't be dealing with much caustic sludge. That was the problem I assumed I would have though. I got filter paper originally to completely remove the solid from the solution but it didn't work so very nice so I just let the bark settle.

Im not using all 1kg in a singular pull. What I worked with for my weekend project was roughly 500g cause I am a lot more confident in what I'm doing since last time... I'm still gonna fuck up a little I'm sure but its part of the process. as of right now I have a full sep funnel with freebase and naph in it cause I used it before checking here (oops) and I have 2 full mason jars of bark mud that I can wash through acidic water again... though I shouldn't need to acidify the water cause the bark has acetic acid on it now

... yeah I guess the sep funnel could work couldn't it... too bad its full of other stuff rn

also how would I wash off the naph? might be useful to know
 
Im not using all 1kg in a singular pull
Glad to hear it! Still, it makes me wonder how it's been for you for handling a 500 g extraction (if I've interpreted your words correctly).
I got filter paper originally to completely remove the solid from the solution but it didn't work
Yeah, the mimosa tannin precipitates out pretty much the moment it hits the filter, clogging it instantly. You may be able to get most of the bark out with a fine wire mesh (stainless steel...) sieve or strainer, and then a long fridge rest followed by decanting away from the bark remnants sorts out an acidic mimosa brew rather more elegantly. Incidentally, that's one important reason for acidifying the brew in this type of process, otherwise there's a much greater likelihood of DMT remaining trapped in the tannin precipitate, since the acidic tannin material would act to some extent as the counter-ion to the protonated DMT in solution.

Best hurry up a bit with your sep funnel a bit - the ground glass inside the stopcock doesn't like caustic liquor all that much, and the etching it causes will eventually begin to mess with the function of the tap.
also how would I wash off the naph?
I'm not quite understanding which bit exactly, that you'd want to be washing the naphtha off - or are you referring to washing (of) the naphtha in the sep funnel? That's when you've removed the naphtha from the caustic brew and use a nearly saturated sodium carbonate solution to wash out any small droplets of basic aqueous soup that may have got carried over when pipetting the naphtha form the soup.
 
Glad to hear it! Still, it makes me wonder how it's been for you for handling a 500 g extraction (if I've interpreted your words correctly).

Yeah, the mimosa tannin precipitates out pretty much the moment it hits the filter, clogging it instantly. You may be able to get most of the bark out with a fine wire mesh (stainless steel...) sieve or strainer, and then a long fridge rest followed by decanting away from the bark remnants sorts out an acidic mimosa brew rather more elegantly. Incidentally, that's one important reason for acidifying the brew in this type of process, otherwise there's a much greater likelihood of DMT remaining trapped in the tannin precipitate, since the acidic tannin material would act to some extent as the counter-ion to the protonated DMT in solution.

Best hurry up a bit with your sep funnel a bit - the ground glass inside the stopcock doesn't like caustic liquor all that much, and the etching it causes will eventually begin to mess with the function of the tap.

I'm not quite understanding which bit exactly, that you'd want to be washing the naphtha off - or are you referring to washing (of) the naphtha in the sep funnel? That's when you've removed the naphtha from the caustic brew and use a nearly saturated sodium carbonate solution to wash out any small droplets of basic aqueous soup that may have got carried over when pipetting the naphtha form the soup.
So far the 500g extraction has been going smoothly enough. I have 850ml solution that I separated from the bark after cooking it in a solution of acetic acid. There was a shit load of white precipitate when adding NaOH. So much so that it made the solution cloudy. I let that stir on my stir plate for a little bit to see if it would clear up and it didn't until I added more NaOH and the solution went black as seen in the small beaker and sep funnel. I put about 100ml of naph onto 500ml of the solution in the sep funnel and let that sit there for 24hours and that is now in the freezer waiting to see how much if anything crashes out. I have not added naph to the other 350ml. If I do im probably gonna keep ratio's the same and add 70ml of naph to that.8

I have other jars from a past extraction that are definitely not in as good a position. I never brought them up to bass 12 before adding naph which shouldn't be a problem but I did get crystals from the naph I had on em but I ended up loosing them to being stupid. I did keep the bark mud in with the solution when I added the bass as well which I now think wasn't the best decision (its why I went for separating the bark mud from the solution before adding the bass this time). I eventually did bring the jars up to a PH of 13 and put naph on them again which is where I got the crystals from my earlier post. I have no idea if its still worth to put naph on em so they're just hanging out next to my lab. Oh and one jar is so messed when I added the naph the most recent time I did agitate the jars and now one has naph emulsified with the bark mud. I don't know if its ever gonna separate. Its chillin in the lab either way
 

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