No more visuals

[DeltaSpice]

You could try supplementing with a little bit of B6, i noticed before that when i started supplementing with 100mgs of B6, my Ayahuasca experiences became alot more visual than usual. Might be worth a shot.

Sounds good.
I just took 100mg B6.
See how it goes over the next few days.
I'll try these before the melatonin and I'll have a few days break.

 

[DeltaSpice]

Vitamin B6 Warning.
I got home from work ,had a shower and a cup of tea (too much info)
Then I thought, I have half a joint left (2.2.2 Changa / Sun Elixir) so I might as well get rid of it and then abstain for a few days.

I took one hit (at my window) and felt it straight away . Then I took a second , now im feeling it hard. I always do 3 to 4 hits , so I do one more.
I stubbed the butt and closed the window, went for the bed.

I hadn't even gotten to the bed , it hit me like a tone of bricks and it wasn't that nice Changa feeling , it was quite scary .

My instincts told me to go back to the window open it and look out until this passes but I told my self to man up , lie down and close your eyes.
I saw plenty patterns but I wasn't in awe , it felt , not nice is all I can say.
I opened my eyes and my ceiling was in a mess basically and it took a while to wear off.
It was kinda like there was no Harmala involved which gave me that sense of Alien. I dunno if you know what im talking about regarding that Alien feeling but with Changa I never get that.

Vitamin B6 wtf...
Can some one ells try B6 and spice/Changa and see what happens.
I wont take it again.

 

[anrchy]

Vitamin B6 Warning.
I got home from work ,had a shower and a cup of tea (too much info)
Then I thought, I have half a joint left (2.2.2 Changa / Sun Elixir) so I might as well get rid of it and then abstain for a few days.

I took one hit (at my window) and felt it straight away . Then I took a second , now im feeling it hard. I always do 3 to 4 hits , so I do one more.
I stubbed the butt and closed the window, went for the bed.

I hadn't even gotten to the bed , it hit me like a tone of bricks and it wasn't that nice Changa feeling , it was quite scary .

My instincts told me to go back to the window open it and look out until this passes but I told my self to man up , lie down and close your eyes.
I saw plenty patterns but I wasn't in awe , it felt , not nice is all I can say.
I opened my eyes and my ceiling was in a mess basically and it took a while to wear off.
It was kinda like there was no Harmala involved which gave me that sense of Alien. I dunno if you know what im talking about regarding that Alien feeling but with Changa I never get that.

Vitamin B6 wtf...
Can some one ells try B6 and spice/Changa and see what happens.
I wont take it again.

I have quite a few different vitamins that I take and have never felt like one or the other effected my trips in any way, although this could be just me. Now having said that and read this thread I would advise that you actually "take a break".

When I say "break" I dont suggest a few days, or a week like you proposed. Usually a break is a lot longer lasting and quite a few people abstain until they get the calling. The calling is not a simple urge to dose like you have an urge to eat or smoke a cigarette. This calling is unique and you know it when you get it. Decreased visuals and especially experiences with a negative undertone are usually warning signs that you need to shelve your DMT pipe and enjoy life for awhile. This can be weeks or months and for some has been years.

I am not going to tell you that daily use of DMT is bad, because it isn't. Although I would advise you to heed the warning signs and forget about DMT for awhile. You yourself said that DMT is doing so much good for you, well part of that good is telling you when you need to step back for awhile and integrate what you have learned with a sober mind.

 

[alpacamasca]

Vitamin B6 Warning.
I got home from work ,had a shower and a cup of tea (too much info)
Then I thought, I have half a joint left (2.2.2 Changa / Sun Elixir) so I might as well get rid of it and then abstain for a few days.

I took one hit (at my window) and felt it straight away . Then I took a second , now im feeling it hard. I always do 3 to 4 hits , so I do one more.
I stubbed the butt and closed the window, went for the bed.

I hadn't even gotten to the bed , it hit me like a tone of bricks and it wasn't that nice Changa feeling , it was quite scary .

My instincts told me to go back to the window open it and look out until this passes but I told my self to man up , lie down and close your eyes.
I saw plenty patterns but I wasn't in awe , it felt , not nice is all I can say.
I opened my eyes and my ceiling was in a mess basically and it took a while to wear off.
It was kinda like there was no Harmala involved which gave me that sense of Alien. I dunno if you know what im talking about regarding that Alien feeling but with Changa I never get that.

Vitamin B6 wtf...
Can some one ells try B6 and spice/Changa and see what happens.
I wont take it again.

I have quite a few different vitamins that I take and have never felt like one or the other effected my trips in any way, although this could be just me. Now having said that and read this thread I would advise that you actually "take a break".

When I say "break" I dont suggest a few days, or a week like you proposed. Usually a break is a lot longer lasting and quite a few people abstain until they get the calling. The calling is not a simple urge to dose like you have an urge to eat or smoke a cigarette. This calling is unique and you know it when you get it. Decreased visuals and especially experiences with a negative undertone are usually warning signs that you need to shelve your DMT pipe and enjoy life for awhile. This can be weeks or months and for some has been years.

I am not going to tell you that daily use of DMT is bad, because it isn't. Although I would advise you to heed the warning signs and forget about DMT for awhile. You yourself said that DMT is doing so much good for you, well part of that good is telling you when you need to step back for awhile and integrate what you have learned with a sober mind.

Totally, when i smoked it a couple of days out of the week with excitement, it was all relatively new to me at the time. The vibe from the whole thing changed and it felt like i was being told off and taught a lesson of respect, it was not particular enjoyable and the normally jovial, playful entities seemed bothered by my presence when normally they surround me with excitement... i put the pipe away after that and didn't touch it for months until i had a calling to do it one day during meditation, i felt i needed to do it with an intention for the first time, that i did and the experiance was incredible, much better than the good times before as i had learnt a lesson by it and i felt as if it was a reward... to go further... for it to be much more real, i was cascaded down an almost morocan like market place made of stain glass with endless hands reaching out showing me different objects from glowing plutonic solids and opening little boxes made of machinary, everybody shouting "no, no look over here! me, me!" and dancing around, tumbling for my attention, but this time they were much more together, more tangible than before... i felt overwhlemed with beauty and i ended up dancing with a very femanine being, further up and up into the sky that and she was stroking my face and it felt like the sunshine on an astoundingly hot day with every touch. Afterwards i had a huge smile on my face and my cheeks felt warm to the touch, i felt incredibly lifted and i was in the greatest mood all week from that to really feel as if i saw something real other than cliche psycadelic patterns, but afterall... that was my intention.

 

[DeltaSpice]

Vitamin B6 Warning.
I got home from work ,had a shower and a cup of tea (too much info)
Then I thought, I have half a joint left (2.2.2 Changa / Sun Elixir) so I might as well get rid of it and then abstain for a few days.

I took one hit (at my window) and felt it straight away . Then I took a second , now im feeling it hard. I always do 3 to 4 hits , so I do one more.
I stubbed the butt and closed the window, went for the bed.

I hadn't even gotten to the bed , it hit me like a tone of bricks and it wasn't that nice Changa feeling , it was quite scary .

My instincts told me to go back to the window open it and look out until this passes but I told my self to man up , lie down and close your eyes.
I saw plenty patterns but I wasn't in awe , it felt , not nice is all I can say.
I opened my eyes and my ceiling was in a mess basically and it took a while to wear off.
It was kinda like there was no Harmala involved which gave me that sense of Alien. I dunno if you know what im talking about regarding that Alien feeling but with Changa I never get that.

Vitamin B6 wtf...
Can some one ells try B6 and spice/Changa and see what happens.
I wont take it again.

I have quite a few different vitamins that I take and have never felt like one or the other effected my trips in any way, although this could be just me. Now having said that and read this thread I would advise that you actually "take a break".

When I say "break" I dont suggest a few days, or a week like you proposed. Usually a break is a lot longer lasting and quite a few people abstain until they get the calling. The calling is not a simple urge to dose like you have an urge to eat or smoke a cigarette. This calling is unique and you know it when you get it. Decreased visuals and especially experiences with a negative undertone are usually warning signs that you need to shelve your DMT pipe and enjoy life for awhile. This can be weeks or months and for some has been years.

I am not going to tell you that daily use of DMT is bad, because it isn't. Although I would advise you to heed the warning signs and forget about DMT for awhile. You yourself said that DMT is doing so much good for you, well part of that good is telling you when you need to step back for awhile and integrate what you have learned with a sober mind.

You are rite.
Changes have occurred within my brain over the last year and a half or 2 years. I cant even recall the date of my first extraction.
I need to know if those changes are permanent or just go hand in hand with daily usage.
The part of me that felt sorrow or depressed feelings has completely disappeared. My perceptions have shifted.
I will try and wait for this call.
I have consumed a hell of a lot of DMT/Harmala over the past months.

What I will do though, just for my own peace of mind is give my brother a B6 Vitamin and then a Changa joint in the evening.
See what he reports.
Thanks for your advise.

 

[expandaneum]

When I say "break" I dont suggest a few days, or a week like you proposed. Usually a break is a lot longer lasting and quite a few people abstain until they get the calling. The calling is not a simple urge to dose like you have an urge to eat or smoke a cigarette. This calling is unique and you know it when you get it. Decreased visuals and especially experiences with a negative undertone are usually warning signs that you need to shelve your DMT pipe and enjoy life for awhile. This can be weeks or months and for some has been years.

I am not going to tell you that daily use of DMT is bad, because it isn't. Although I would advise you to heed the warning signs and forget about DMT for awhile. You yourself said that DMT is doing so much good for you, well part of that good is telling you when you need to step back for awhile and integrate what you have learned with a sober mind.

This is the best advice your going to get, but maybe your one of those that need to learn the hard way?

take care

 

[DeltaSpice]

When I say "break" I dont suggest a few days, or a week like you proposed. Usually a break is a lot longer lasting and quite a few people abstain until they get the calling. The calling is not a simple urge to dose like you have an urge to eat or smoke a cigarette. This calling is unique and you know it when you get it. Decreased visuals and especially experiences with a negative undertone are usually warning signs that you need to shelve your DMT pipe and enjoy life for awhile. This can be weeks or months and for some has been years.

I am not going to tell you that daily use of DMT is bad, because it isn't. Although I would advise you to heed the warning signs and forget about DMT for awhile. You yourself said that DMT is doing so much good for you, well part of that good is telling you when you need to step back for awhile and integrate what you have learned with a sober mind.

This is the best advice your going to get, but maybe your one of those that need to learn the hard way?

take care

I will take the advise because I can tell you guys know what you are talking about.
Also the more I think about it the more it makes sense.
If I'm honest I haven't been sleeping well either, I've been sleeping but not well and I'm sure that's spice related.
Many many thanks .
*Electronic hug*

 

[Winemaker]

I've never been in this particular situation, but I'll share a little of my past.

I used to do a lot of drugs. MDMA, LSD, coke, mushrooms and lots of pot.

That was before I headed off to my second attempt at post-secondary. During college, my use just naturally decreased. No money and no time = no money or time to do drugs lol.

Now I'm more than two years into my professional career, and I can almost count on two hands the times I've gotten blasted in the last year. I still toke every night, but everything stronger is just a resource that I only tap into when I get a good chance.

And because of this, I'm truly living. I live my day-to-day life and I'm coherent most of the time (other than before my morning pot of coffee, of course XD)

But when I do get a few days off, or go on vacation, then I tap into the resources granted me. I'm a strong believer in occasional and responsible use of drugs. I'll hit LSD hard once or twice a year. Same with MDMA. Coke is still too expensive but it's not great in the long run anyway.

When I do get those special times (and they are indeed that) they are so much more profound. During that annual acid trip, I have a very profound time reflecting on the past year, and what is to come in the next. It lets me see the life I've been (fully) living from a different perspective.

If you use LSD weekly, it will lose its magic. If you use mushrooms weekly, they will lose their magic. And whether it's your psyche or a higher power telling you to smarten up, nobody can hold onto chronic use like that with deep psychedelics for very long.

I encourage you in your journey, and it seems you've decided to cool the jets (hehe, get it?). But the experience will be much more special when you feel the moment is just right.

Hell, you may even have a friend or two over and have the urge to just hit it gently all night (I had a wicked time doing that this summer with 500 mg between 3 people and over 3 hours. No breakthroughs, but just intense visuals and hit after hit after hit from the VG).

Even though a break may sound lame, it really will add to the experience, not just of the spice, but of every drug you choose to partake in.

The best to you ^_^

 

[DeltaSpice]

I've never been in this particular situation, but I'll share a little of my past.

I used to do a lot of drugs. MDMA, LSD, coke, mushrooms and lots of pot.

That was before I headed off to my second attempt at post-secondary. During college, my use just naturally decreased. No money and no time = no money or time to do drugs lol.

Now I'm more than two years into my professional career, and I can almost count on two hands the times I've gotten blasted in the last year. I still toke every night, but everything stronger is just a resource that I only tap into when I get a good chance.

And because of this, I'm truly living. I live my day-to-day life and I'm coherent most of the time (other than before my morning pot of coffee, of course XD)

But when I do get a few days off, or go on vacation, then I tap into the resources granted me. I'm a strong believer in occasional and responsible use of drugs. I'll hit LSD hard once or twice a year. Same with MDMA. Coke is still too expensive but it's not great in the long run anyway.

When I do get those special times (and they are indeed that) they are so much more profound. During that annual acid trip, I have a very profound time reflecting on the past year, and what is to come in the next. It lets me see the life I've been (fully) living from a different perspective.

If you use LSD weekly, it will lose its magic. If you use mushrooms weekly, they will lose their magic. And whether it's your psyche or a higher power telling you to smarten up, nobody can hold onto chronic use like that with deep psychedelics for very long.

I encourage you in your journey, and it seems you've decided to cool the jets (hehe, get it?). But the experience will be much more special when you feel the moment is just right.

Hell, you may even have a friend or two over and have the urge to just hit it gently all night (I had a wicked time doing that this summer with 500 mg between 3 people and over 3 hours. No breakthroughs, but just intense visuals and hit after hit after hit from the VG).

Even though a break may sound lame, it really will add to the experience, not just of the spice, but of every drug you choose to partake in.

The best to you ^_^

In the past I have done too much MDMA too much Ganja and too much coke, but Spice is different. I personally don't class it as a drug. All the above mentioned drugs have had negative effects including anxiety and depression.
I stopped all drugs some years ago, including nicotine, caffeine, sugar, and it was the best decision I've made.
I cannot recall a negative effect from the spice, it does nothing but good in my books.
I do see that doing too much can lessen its effect and I'm pretty sure there is a lesson going on here, some thing more than "your over doing it" .
Spice has already taught me a major lesson that took me some months to figure out.(Concerning my interactions with people (offline))
I also think that crystals or plants cannot teach you or even find you. ( have you ever seen Mimosa or Caapi vine flicking through a telephone directory?)
There is a spirit/force involved that we or at lease I do not understand.
What I just said would sound crazy to any one who is not involved with spice and it even sounds strange for me to say some thing like that.
I know I will be guided.
The future is bright

 

[DeltaSpice]

Just an update.
I used my brother as a guinea pig.
I gave him Vitamin B6 yesterday and today, this evening he chuffed on a 150mg Changa zoot.
The effects were normal for him.
So yesterday when I had a puff and things turned grim quickly , was a warning.
Today is my first day of abstinence.
I don't know if I can wait for this "Calling" but im defiantly not smoking for a month .

Has any one had this calling and if so what happened? If you don't mind sharing.
Thank you

 

[anrchy]

Sometimes it hits you and you just know. You could be doing the dishes, driving to an appointment, walking your dog and it hits you. You feel that today is the day.

 

[Winemaker]

anrchy's got it.

The calling hit me recently when my sister bought us tickets to a rave (my first one ever). We loaded up some enveloped with the purest MDMA i've ever found, that I've been saving for a few months. Best night I've had in a long time.

I had some lsd and even took it on my vacation this summer. I didn't even end up doing it because I just didn't feel the call.

I'm sure that the call for acid will come this winter when I get a few days off. Maybe new years. I don't even know if it'll happen, but I'll be in the state of mind thinking "Damn, it's been a long time, and I really want to get into that headspace and do some good hard reflecting."

The call isn't tangible, it's just there lol.

 

[starway6]

Interesting!
Vitiman B6 if thats what you are refering to..?
Is known in the lucid dreaming comunity to be a Dream Booster..meaning your nightly dreams become more vivid and intense and colorfull..
So it apears that B6 intensifies DMT effects?!!

 

[anrchy]

Interesting!
Vitiman B6 if thats what you are refering to..?
Is known in the lucid dreaming comunity to be a Dream Booster..meaning your nightly dreams become more vivid and intense and colorfull..
So it apears that B6 intensifies DMT effects?!!

No. OP thought that b6 contributed to his dmt experience turning dark. Now he has chalked that up to needing to take a break.

 

[DeltaSpice]

I have a purchased Vitamin B6 and Melatonin tabs so I think I will take them daily over the next week or so just to give me a little extra help.
I've never take vitamins before and I have them now, waste not want not.

Also looking back to my last few experiences I can see that it was all wrong .
About 5 weeks ago I smoalked some Changaroonie and I received serious body load. My jaw went numb and the CEV's were super bright almost too much to bear.

And if I look back further I can see that I havnt hit the hights that I used to. Most of the amazing jaw dropping sights I've seen, that I will never forget, happened a long time ago.
I'm happy to take a break now.
Maybe this is a lesson. Treat Changa with a bit more respect?
Thanks again.