hey guys! been reading the site for awhile so i figured i would join and ask a question or two, SWIM just attempted his first extraction and followed the A/B method "the DMT Handbook" and got no results... anyways here is what he said he did, first he purchased 2oz of some really powdery MHRB only 10$ (he gave me the link here i just realized this is the "inner root bark" is that a problem?), acidified some water, added the bark, boiled for about 1 hour but by accident he left the burner on too high for too long and it boiled over a little (is this a problem, it was pretty hot...?), then he filtered out the solution with a t-shirt and boiled for a bit longer to evaporate some more water, he let it cool in the fridge for like 15 minutes, next he made a basic solution with some lye and added that until the ph was about 13, he then added some naphtha (he didnt have much maybe 200mL) and he shook vigorously 5 or 6 times between 2 minute intervals, bubbles formed in the solution but while waiting for these to pop or whatever they turned into these weird reddish-white mucusy blobs that just kinda floated around (what are these?), he was a little impatient and only waited like 15 minutes to suck off the naphtha, after putting the naphtha in a dish in the freezer 24 hours later he opened it expecting to find a beautiful gram or so of dmt, instead just some red flakes... so what did he do wrong? i mean it was his first try so he didn't expect a great yield but nothing? anyways he still has the naphtha and the rest of the solution, any ideas? thanks so much!
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Hey and welcome to the Nexus! You only did one pull with naphtha? You need to do at least 3-4 pulls to get the expected 0.4-1 gram of DMT out of that 56 grams of bark. To avoid emulsions/bubbles, you shouldn't shake the solution but rather roll the naphtha around in the solution, making sure all parts are in contact at least once with the naphtha. The heat isn't any real problem, remember that Ayahuasca is cooked through boiling, often for a whole day or even longer. What acid did you use to acidify? What was the initial PH?
well he only did one pull so far but there was pretty much nothing in the dish, he used hydrochloric acid, and ph was about 4 after adding the acid, the listing was labeled as "inner" root bark, is this the wrong part of the root? he has a large amount of xylol and was thinking about extracting it with this instead, then cleaning it up is this a good idea?
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The red crap is likely basified solution that didn't separate since he was impatient.
DMT didn't precipitate because 200ml of naptha for 56g of bark is way too much to get a solution that will freeze precip.
Evap it down to 50ml and try the precip again.
DMT didn't precipitate because 200ml of naptha for 56g of bark is way too much to get a solution that will freeze precip.
Evap it down to 50ml and try the precip again.
thanks for the quick replies guys i (and SWIM) really appreciate it, anyways, he tried again with some more naphtha (about 50 mL) and got a really small amount of yellow powder not nearly enough to try, or even keep... he ran out of naphtha so he tried again with xylol and got some red gooey stuff, i attached pictures he gave me of it, is this ok to smoke you think?
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try stb tek. mix 56g of lye with destiled water a tleast 1 liter. mix it properly make sure its cooled. then once disolved put it in hot bath and add 56g of your MHRB. shake the crap out of it.leave it in hot bath for 1 hour. shake after every 20minutes.you can leave it for more than one hour but its not necesary. then add around 60ml of naphta. leave it there for at least 45 minutes then separate naphta. repeate with naphta 3 more times. after 4 puls u should have around 240ml of naphta. you have to wash it with sodium carbonate twice and once with water. after that put it in freezer for 24 hours. after that separate spice from naphta , dry it on glass and have a good ride 
i can send you step by step tek in pdf file if needed with pictures.
i have never done a/b tek so cant comment on that one.
good luck
i can send you step by step tek in pdf file if needed with pictures.
i have never done a/b tek so cant comment on that one.
good luck
smokerx said:try stb tek. mix 56g of lye with destiled water a tleast 1 liter. mix it properly make sure its cooled. then once disolved put it in hot bath and add 56g of your MHRB. shake the crap out of it.leave it in hot bath for 1 hour. shake after every 20minutes.you can leave it for more than one hour but its not necesary. then add around 60ml of naphta. leave it there for at least 45 minutes then separate naphta. repeate with naphta 3 more times. after 4 puls u should have around 240ml of naphta. you have to wash it with sodium carbonate twice and once with water. after that put it in freezer for 24 hours. after that separate spice from naphta , dry it on glass and have a good ride
i can send you step by step tek in pdf file if needed with pictures.
i have never done a/b tek so cant comment on that one.
good luck
one more thing ... after you add naphta to lye, bark, water solution you have to give very good shake dont you worry it will nicely separate. i have done in many times and always shaked it very well and naphta always separated just be patient and wait long anough.
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1. Get more patience
2. Do more reading
3. Follow the TEK you do EXACTLY, don't cut corners, don't think you know what to do, because you don't.
4. Come back and report.
2. Do more reading
3. Follow the TEK you do EXACTLY, don't cut corners, don't think you know what to do, because you don't.
4. Come back and report.
practica said:
Did you evaporate the xylene to get that?
if so then if may be "smokable" but likely has some nasties. I wouldn't smoke it
This post shows a picture of some nasty grey-brown stuff that was the result from evaporating xylene that had the DMT removed from it with vinegar. Really nasty
You could very simply add 15-20ml of warm/hot vinegar and mix it around to dissolve the DMT from that goo then filter the vinegar and evaporate it at 90-110C for nearly pure jimjam freebase. (that method used in Q21Q21's tek 1)
The resultant goo will be very potent, SWIM's friend broke through on only 25mg of that product.
