Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

[69ron]

The Torch extract will be more pure mescaline. San Pedro has a higher amount of other alkaloids present.

ron, can SWIY say anything more about the qualitative / experiential difference between pedro and torch extract? what about any differences in terms of the overall yield? difference in potency? swim is on a budget at this point and wishes to spend his money wisely, which he has not always done in the past... swim agrees that low dose cactus is AWESOME... just up to the point of the slightest visual effects has been the most euphoric for swim... swim went snowboarding one day after eating a few grams of torch and some cocoa nibs, which was great, and seemed to improve swim's riding...

SWIM LOVES STRONG COFFEE WITH MESCALINE! If you haven't tried it DO IT! I think that's much better than mescaline with cocoa. But to be fair, SWIM never tried really strong cocoa with it.

The Torch extract feels like mescaline far more than San Pedro does. The Torch is unreliable. Sometimes it's very potent, sometime it's very weak. San Pedro is your best bet because it's potency is generally more predicable.

San Pedro has a lot of these amber/brown alkaloids in it that have their own psychedelic effects. SWIM has separated them and has experienced the non-mescaline San Pedro alkaloids on their own. They produce a relaxed peaceful dreamy state of mind, make you slightly numb, cause a pleasant tingling sensation in the body, and also cause visual effects which are unlike those of mescaline (things look strangely animated). When they are taken together with the mescaline, they mellow out the experience, making it more dreamy, more relaxed.

SWIM prefers PURE mescaline. The Torch is the closest to pure mescaline you can get using this type of vinegar based tech. Pure mescaline is more clear headed, more euphoric, and has less body load for SWIM than the mixed San Pedro alkaloids have. It all depends on what you prefer. Sometimes SWIM prefers the mixed alkaloids of San Pedro, especially when he wants to sit back, relax and have visions, because it's a much more dreamy state that it puts you in, and really geared towards close eye visions. Pure mescaline is more for interacting with reality because it lacks that dreaminess.

 

[69ron]

I think that particular model you mentioned in your post earlier might be hard to use. Make sure it’s not polystyrene.

Here’s how to test it.

1 – Place the gravy separator upside down.
2 – Put a few drops of d-limonene on the bottom of the gravy separator. This way if it damages the plastic, only the bottom will be damaged slightly so it will still look nice and still be effective.
3 - Let it sit for about 30 minutes.
4 – Smear the d-limonene around the bottom. If it feels sticky, it dissolved some of the plastic so that plastic cannot be used. In this case just let the separator sit upside down until the d-limonene evaporates away and no hard is done to the separator.

SWIM just tried this with his "Norpro" fat separator.. There was no stick what so ever when he smeared d-limonene with his finger after 30 minutes.. The only thing he can find online about his separator is that an eBay seller described it as "Heavy Duty" plastic.. So it's not polystyrene? Should it be good to go with this tek?

Yeah I'd say it passed the test and should be safe to use. If it doesn't dissolve the plastic after 30 minutes, the plastic is resistant to it enough to be used. D-limonene is pretty safe for most plastics. Is there a recycle code on the bottom?

 

[mapp]

D-limonene is pretty safe for most plastics. Is there a recycle code on the bottom?

Nope, no recycle code anywhere.

SWIM is currently on step 2 of this tek- waiting a few hours with the cactus and limonene. A few hours = 3 hours minimum?

Also, when SWIM weighed out the calcium hydroxide, he found that 1 gram weighed equalled approximately 1/2 a teaspon, so he used 6 teaspoons to equal about 12.5 grams, which is half of the 25g originally called for - because he's halfing everything to compensate for his 50g dried cacti...
But, a little more than 1/3 of his calcium hydroxide appears to have been used from this in his 100 gram bottle.. Could it just be an eye trick? If he added too much hydrated lime, should he have to add more limonene and vinegar?

His bowl with the cacti & limonene does not look like psychosis' picture example

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/resource.ashx?a=727

Instead, hardly any limonene is pourable, the rest seemed to be absorbed by the cacti mix =/

Edit: SWIM just poured his cacti/limonene mix from one bowl to another to see how much actual limonene is pouring..it's about 30-50ml.
Shouldn't all the original limonene that was added be pouring?

After about an hour of sitting and mixing, SWIM added about another 150ml limonene because things weren't seeming right. Does this reset the time to wait until adding vinegar?

SWIM is a little confused about whether or not he is to add 2x more vinegar, because although he's added 2x as much limonene, it was because he may or may not have screwed up the hydrated lime measuring. :?

 

[mapp]

Does distilled white vinegar "extract" the mescaline from d-limonene?
SWIM used it and is having a hard time seeing it separated from the d-limonene... He used 16ml vinegar to 180ml limonene. After mixing and letting settle for about 10 minutes in his fat separator, there was no visable separate layers. He started pouring it into a previous container to see if the vinegar was even separated..It was all yellow/green limonene until the very end where it became clear.. SWIM guesses that's the vinegar to use, but it's not in a visable separated layer in any container :?

Does apple cider vineger work? (it's 5% acidity)

 

[psychosisdoses]

Does distilled white vinegar "extract" the mescaline from d-limonene?
SWIM used it and is having a hard time seeing it separated from the d-limonene... After mixing and letting settle for about 10 minutes in his fat separator, there was no visable separate layers. He started pouring it into a previous container to see if the vinegar was even separated..It was all yellow/green limonene until the very end where it became clear.. SWIM guesses that's the vinegar to use, but it's not in a visable separated layer in any container :?

Does apple cider vineger work? (it's 5% acidity)

hmmmmmmmmmmm
forgive me i am tripping my ass off right now so i am having a hard time understanding
but.... distilled white vinegar 5% DOES work thats what you use.... i use a glass sepratory funnel to seperate layers and have noooooo problem seeing them solution is lightgreen yellow and vinegar is clear... what you could do is find a clear soda bottle (one that wont dissolve from the limonene) and make a small hole in the bottom hold with your finger and put your solution in that... then drain the vinegar try not to let any limonene come with it so pay attention its okay if a tincy bit does it evaporates just has impurites.... ummmm i think i answered the question but as i said me <-- m-escalated so just ask if theres something else


cheap glass seperation funnel on the bay

 

[ommani]

SWIM LOVES STRONG COFFEE WITH MESCALINE! If you haven't tried it DO IT! I think that's much better than mescaline with cocoa. But to be fair, SWIM never tried really strong cocoa with it.

The Torch extract feels like mescaline far more than San Pedro does. The Torch is unreliable. Sometimes it's very potent, sometime it's very weak. San Pedro is your best bet because it's potency is generally more predicable.

San Pedro has a lot of these amber/brown alkaloids in it that have their own psychedelic effects. SWIM has separated them and has experienced the non-mescaline San Pedro alkaloids on their own. They produce a relaxed peaceful dreamy state of mind, make you slightly numb, cause a pleasant tingling sensation in the body, and also cause visual effects which are unlike those of mescaline (things look strangely animated). When they are taken together with the mescaline, they mellow out the experience, making it more dreamy, more relaxed.

SWIM prefers PURE mescaline. The Torch is the closest to pure mescaline you can get using this type of vinegar based tech. Pure mescaline is more clear headed, more euphoric, and has less body load for SWIM than the mixed San Pedro alkaloids have. It all depends on what you prefer. Sometimes SWIM prefers the mixed alkaloids of San Pedro, especially when he wants to sit back, relax and have visions, because it's a much more dreamy state that it puts you in, and really geared towards close eye visions. Pure mescaline is more for interacting with reality because it lacks that dreaminess.

cool, thanks for the info... if swim's memory serves him correctly, SWIM has had that dreamy effect on the come up of tea made from torch (could have been pedro) which seemed to fade out after swim purged, after which it would seem to be less visual and dreamy, but more energetic and clear...

 

[mapp]

Thanks psychosis. I put the mix into a ziplock bag and the vinegar was clearly visable that way =)
I poked a small hole with a pin and let it fall into a pan. easy =) Thanks for the tip.

Now SWIM is just curious if 16ml is an appropriate amount for the 180ml limonene he got from this cactus mix :?

 

[psychosisdoses]

Thanks psychosis. I put the mix into a ziplock bag and the vinegar was clearly visable that way =)
I poked a small hole with a pin and let it fall into a pan. easy =) Thanks for the tip.

Now SWIM is just curious if 16ml is an appropriate amount for the 180ml limonene he got from this cactus mix :?

yes i was going to reccomend that but wasnt sure if the plastic would dissolve.. did you test with straight limonene first?

as for the amount of vinegar to use... excess is okay and i would lean towards it when dealing with extracting something so precious... i would still use 30ml or so at a time and do three-four pulls to be sure... (vinegar evaps)

make sure you shake the shit out of the solution you want them to mix very very well dont worry about emulsion

 

[ommani]

good lookin out ill let ya know how things flow

cool man, i'd be interested to hear...

 

[mapp]

Thanks psychosis. I put the mix into a ziplock bag and the vinegar was clearly visable that way =)
I poked a small hole with a pin and let it fall into a pan. easy =) Thanks for the tip.

Now SWIM is just curious if 16ml is an appropriate amount for the 180ml limonene he got from this cactus mix :?

yes i was going to reccomend that but wasnt sure if the plastic would dissolve.. did you test with straight limonene first?

as for the amount of vinegar to use... excess is okay and i would lean towards it when dealing with extracting something so precious... i would still use 30ml or so at a time and do three-four pulls to be sure... (vinegar evaps)

make sure you shake the shit out of the solution you want them to mix very very well dont worry about emulsion

Okay, SWIM was just wondering because he started with 50g cactus instead of 100. (even though as he described in a previous post, he used too much hydrated lime and compensated with ~300ml limonene). This 2nd pull he's doing 200ml, and 3rd he plans to do 150ml, should that be okay?

SWIM wasn't sure that limonene dissolving a temporary zip lock would be an issue, but he left just the limonene in the bag for about 30 minutes and nothing seemed to be dissolved at all.

SWIM's using an electric mixer to stir the vinegar + limo so he should be good there - however in the later hours he can't make the noise with the mixer... Will vigorous stirring with a spoon suffice?

 

[psychosisdoses]

good lookin out ill let ya know how things flow

cool man, i'd be interested to hear...

it went quite nicely indeed! seemed to increase it by 1/2
i made some post about it here

 

[psychosisdoses]

Thanks psychosis. I put the mix into a ziplock bag and the vinegar was clearly visable that way =)
I poked a small hole with a pin and let it fall into a pan. easy =) Thanks for the tip.

Now SWIM is just curious if 16ml is an appropriate amount for the 180ml limonene he got from this cactus mix :?

yes i was going to reccomend that but wasnt sure if the plastic would dissolve.. did you test with straight limonene first?

as for the amount of vinegar to use... excess is okay and i would lean towards it when dealing with extracting something so precious... i would still use 30ml or so at a time and do three-four pulls to be sure... (vinegar evaps)

make sure you shake the shit out of the solution you want them to mix very very well dont worry about emulsion

Okay, SWIM was just wondering because he started with 50g cactus instead of 100. (even though as he described in a previous post, he used too much hydrated lime and compensated with ~300ml limonene). This 2nd pull he's doing 200ml, and 3rd he plans to do 150ml, should that be okay?

SWIM wasn't sure that limonene dissolving a temporary zip lock would be an issue, but he left just the limonene in the bag for about 30 minutes and nothing seemed to be dissolved at all.

SWIM's using an electric mixer to stir the vinegar + limo so he should be good there - however in the later hours he can't make the noise with the mixer... Will vigorous stirring with a spoon suffice?

id say five minutes on the mixer in major swirl mode would be more then sufficient
you really only need enough limonene to cover the cactus so keep that in mind...
sounds like your heading in the right direction good luck man! ask questions if you need help we are here to help!

 

[mapp]

id say five minutes on the mixer in major swirl mode would be more then sufficient
you really only need enough limonene to cover the cactus so keep that in mind...
sounds like your heading in the right direction good luck man! ask questions if you need help we are here to help!

Cool, thanks. So spoon stirring the vinegar/limonene is alright?

With his first vinegar pull SWIM put it in his oven at about 150F for 15-20 minutes and it turned into a brownish dried syrupy "indention" into the pan. He scraped it from the pan with a metal scraper and it's dry and crushed bark-ish light brown tan looking. He got a tiny on his fingers and tasted it - pretty bad! Extremely bitter. So it's done? No more evapping?

SWIM's a little apprehensive about using the oven again, or maybe at a lower temperature because the scraping is a pain, and he can still see the vinegar "dirt" that it left in the pan even after scraping.

The vinegar will evap even at room temperature right?

 

[psychosisdoses]

id say five minutes on the mixer in major swirl mode would be more then sufficient
you really only need enough limonene to cover the cactus so keep that in mind...
sounds like your heading in the right direction good luck man! ask questions if you need help we are here to help!

Cool, thanks. So spoon stirring the vinegar/limonene is alright?

With his first vinegar pull SWIM put it in his oven at about 150F for 15-20 minutes and it turned into a brownish dried syrupy "indention" into the pan. He scraped it from the pan with a metal scraper and it's dry and crushed bark-ish light brown tan looking. He got a tiny on his fingers and tasted it - pretty bad! Extremely bitter. So it's done? No more evapping?

SWIM's a little apprehensive about using the oven again, or maybe at a lower temperature because the scraping is a pain, and he can still see the vinegar "dirt" that it left in the pan even after scraping.

The vinegar will evap even at room temperature right?

heres what i do i got a metal space heater and i sit the pan on top on a slant this takes about a day to a week to dry (i dont rush these things the best results come with time) my last pull that i evaped (3rd extraction iv done...was the best) seemed to seperate where as the brown darker oil was at the bottom and at the top was a dryer waxy light tan stuffsss well that stufffs feels stronger to this swim..... hes swimin laps around the room *rollin stones a-cronin on the radio*

yea spoon stirring should suffice just promise to do it with a furious speed and a maniacal grin on your face.... make me proud

 

[mapp]

Well about 6 hours ago at around 4am this morning SWIM ate his first vinegar pull dose, 316mg, from 50g dried purivian torch. After about 2 hours all he had felt was some occasional nausea. Unfortuanately, not much has since then changed for him :?

He ate the dose on an empty stomach and had about 4 hours of sleep - since then he's slept about 2 hours and ate some leftover Easter chocolate . But really he's only feeling a loss of coordination and confusion from the cacti.

Curiously, his 3 subsequent vinegar pulls have yielded next to NO mescaline acetate - only a tiny resin ball.

It IS his first tek, but what could be going on here? Even if it was weak torch, would SWIM not being feeling at most a tad sense of euphoria/stimulation? ...After 6 hours, nothing of the sort..he feels hazy, but not real sleepy.

 

[Jorkest]

weird SWIY ate 316mg...that should have produced SOMETHING...christ SWIM has great experiences from 80-120mg

 

[psychosisdoses]

yea that should of done SOMETHING...... hmmm id honestly be scared to take that much at once based on my stuff.... 100mg doses seem to give me nausea sometimes... but i get good good effects from that dose range 200mg spaced in two doses gets more visual and goood gooood gooooooood high..... thats about as far as iv gone... occasionally iv gone 300+ but thats in three doses and the first and last separated by 8+ hours

 

[Jorkest]

yeah...SWIM hasnt pushed his dose up passed 130mg yet..and that is still fairly powerful for SWIM..he would need to make sure he was in the right mind set and the right place before he ever attempted 300+mg

 

[randomname138]

can the d-limoline be reused after its salted or is it only good for one pull?

 

[mapp]

weird SWIY ate 316mg...that should have produced SOMETHING...christ SWIM has great experiences from 80-120mg

Yes, SWIM was definetely going for a potent first dosage.

Only his first vinegar pull yielded any usable mescaline acetate. As SWIM stated earlier in the thread, the following 1st limonene vinegar pulls only yielded a small resin ball. His 2nd limonene pull's 1st vinegar pull evaporated at room temperature instead of using an oven, and it yielded nothing scrapable.

SWIM thinks he has no choice but to give up for now. He'll have to try this same tek with san pedro at a later time.

SWIM's curious as to what SWIY 69ron would speculate as to what happened..:?