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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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After the first pull SWIM decided to heat the cactus, lime, orange oil mixture to see if it help with the alkaloid extraction. The mixture from a gooey cactus with a cloudy orange oil turned to an easy to work homogenized cactus with clear oil sitting on top and a whole house smelling like orange. Anyone knows what happened when SWIM applied heat and how this will effect the extraction?
 
SWIM needs help!!! He despined peeled and cored his Pedro, so he told me. He said he sliced it into tiny pieces. He needs to know about drying it. SWIM doesn't have a dehydrator, and putting in the sun isn't a possible. SWIM read that an oven at very low temps is ok. He's trying that but keeps turning it off as to keep the temp as low as possible. He doesn't want to burn or oxidize any of the goodies. Anyone with knowledge step up please. Thanks
 
My friend did it recently just like you said, low heat in oven, check that it doesnt get really hot. Works a treat I hear.

He switched to just a fan blowing over the chips while laid out on paper after the oven got the most of the moisture out.
 
69Ron, thanks for the advice on gelcap dosing. SWIM does have a question though. Does one tamp down the acetate in the capsule to reach the amounts SWIY described? Or just loosely fill? Thanks.
 
SWIM's wondering if anyone's been able to test whether mescaline acetate that's undergone any sort of heating loses potency or not? So far, SWIM's only had a chance to use product that has undergone heating and won't be able to test against it for a little while. He's been quite pleased with his results so far, but would like to be able to compare and contrast to determine whether the effect of heating is negligible or not.
 
SWIM's very fist mescaline extraction of his life failed because he dried his extract in a pan on the stove top on low heat and it all burnt:(

I wish I knew the high end temperatures that are safe for the various forms of mescaline. 155 F is safe for mescaline HCl and mescaline acetate. That's the temperature SWIM uses in his dehydrator and he doesn't get any loss in potency at all.
 
SWIM heated at around 120F in the oven and 250 mg were still quite active. His extraction methods were a little less refined at the time, and SWIM suspects that it even had more impurities than his recent yields. SWIM will find out soon if his more recent yields are decently active. Stove tops can get quite hot, though.

69ron said:
SWIM's very fist mescaline extraction of his life failed because he dried his extract in a pan on the stove top on low heat and it all burnt:(

I wish I knew the high end temperatures that are safe for the various forms of mescaline. 155 F is safe for mescaline HCl and mescaline acetate. That's the temperature SWIM uses in his dehydrator and he doesn't get any loss in potency at all.
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Sorry for SWIY's loss. SWIM's quite reassured to hear that 155F seems to work well.
 
my friend evap'd his vinegar and dryed at 70 Celcius (about 158F) in his oven and it appears to be inactive?

is it only the final drying stages where heat becomes a problem? evapourating the vinegar is okay at higher temps? I'm surre i read somewhere on this thread that the vinegar could be boiled down first?
 
breakMYhead said:
my friend evap'd his vinegar and dryed at 70 Celcius (about 158F) in his oven and it appears to be inactive?

is it only the final drying stages where heat becomes a problem? evapourating the vinegar is okay at higher temps? I'm surre i read somewhere on this thread that the vinegar could be boiled down first?
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Did your friend use any heat during the earlier stages?
 
breakMYhead said:
my friend evap'd his vinegar and dryed at 70 Celcius (about 158F) in his oven and it appears to be inactive?

is it only the final drying stages where heat becomes a problem? evapourating the vinegar is okay at higher temps? I'm surre i read somewhere on this thread that the vinegar could be boiled down first?
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158 F is not hot enough to cause any damage. Something else when wrong.
 
69ron said:
158 F is not hot enough to cause any damage. Something else when wrong.
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no heat was used at any other point.

my friend followed the tek pretty much to a T.

he ate 100mg to no affect. another day tried another 100mg followed by another 50 or so a bit later and nothing.

he's got another extraction drying now if thats no good i guess he'll just have to eat the cactus.. :(
 
hrrm - swim uses a bowl of hot water under his evap dish - water boiled in the kettle - swims mesc was active at 75mg - much moreso than expected when mixed with coffee - should swim perhaps not do this ?
 
So, does mescaline acetate feels euphoric and clear headed? SWIM could definitely feel the euphoria from the torch extraction, but his head feels foggy, is it maybe the other alkaloids?

SWIY uses acetic acid from vinegar, what about tartaric acid? (its easy to find) from wine for a more pure extract - no vinegar impurities and bad smell.

For any SWIY not familiar.

Tartaric Acid
Tartaric acid is prepared from crude tartar (acid tartrate of potassium), which is met with either free or in combination with bases especially in grapes, also in sumach berries, tamarinds, pineapples, and other acidulous fruits.

Tartaric acid crystals are transparent, colorless prisms or tables, inodorous, of strongly acid but agreeable taste, not deliquescent in the air, easily soluble in water (0.6 parts), in two parts of 85 per cent, alcohol. The solution has a pure acid taste, and gradually spoils while keeping, if not preserved like the solution of citric acid. It also, like citric acid, converts cane-sugar into invert-sugar. It is used to acidify carbonated beverages, for seidlitz powders, and to a great extent in many other trades for manufacturing purposes. In American commerce tartaric acid is usually found in the state of powder, hut we suggest to buy and employ only the crystallized form, as it is less liable to be adulterated than if in powder.

SWIM is going to try this any SWIY aware how much tartaric acid to use? Same amount as the acetic acid?
 
breakMYhead said:
69ron said:
158 F is not hot enough to cause any damage. Something else when wrong.
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no heat was used at any other point.

my friend followed the tek pretty much to a T.

he ate 100mg to no affect. another day tried another 100mg followed by another 50 or so a bit later and nothing.

he's got another extraction drying now if thats no good i guess he'll just have to eat the cactus.. :(
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Try 200-250mg, which should be about a common psychedelic dose. Some people may not be as sensitive to the effects of mescaline without experiencing a higher dose.
 
Total yield thusfar: 1.55%. This has been largely pulled with the same amount of limonene each time. After about three separate pulls, SWIM doubled the amount of limonene by adding to the limonene in use; that, using larger amounts of vinegar, and probably time, boosted SWIM's yield significantly on his second to last pull. He suspects that this last pull was about the last he'll get, but he'll try at least one more. Vinegar's quite cheap, so why not?
 
Cook the cactus in low heat, to brake it down and reduce the moisture (before? - after?) SWIY add the calcium hydroxide.

Do more experienced SWIY know if this is going to help with the extraction or does not really needed?
 
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