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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil)

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SWIM doesn't think it's ever a good idea to heat basified material except for only a few specific extractions (like bufotenine). Seems like a good way to lose a lot of product. SWIM's not sure why SWIY would need to heat it before basifying either. The only time SWIM knows of that's a reasonable time to apply a moderate amount of heat is when evaporating to retrieve the acetate.
 
SWIM wanted to know what everyone's preference is vinegar or HCL. Vinegar seems to be a lot cheaper, but does it take longer to dry. Does it form a nice finished product. SWIM is ready to go on every other aspect just needs to decide HCL or vinegar.
 
Cosmo said:
SWIM wanted to know what everyone's preference is vinegar or HCL. Vinegar seems to be a lot cheaper, but does it take longer to dry. Does it form a nice finished product. SWIM is ready to go on every other aspect just needs to decide HCL or vinegar.
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The mescaline HCl can be cleaned to 98-99% purity by washing with acetone and then 99% IPA. It also dries faster, but is usually stickier if not cleaned up.

The advantage of vinegar is that it’s 100% food grade, non-toxic, and safer to handle. You simple cannot easily buy USP or food grade HCl. The disadvantage is that it takes longer to dry and I don't know of a way to clean it to 98-99% purity.
 
Once again SWIM thanks you. SWIM is going with vinegar for his first go round. When Swim says it takes a long time to dry, how long is a long time? 24 hours? And SWIM has read that low heat 150 or so is ok, so hot bath cool, or is a fan a safer bet?
 
My friend dried for like three days and no dice, scraping and re-drying didn't work for him (He thinks it's the high humidity, it seems to re-hydrate).
But he found that drying, leaving to cool overnight without scraping, followed the next day by 30 minutes more drying, left it perfectly dessicated and ready to scrape.
It was perhaps TOO dry after this, lol. When finally scraped he lost a bit to the acetate dust flying around.
Just thought I'd throw this out there.
 
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SWIM will be doing some solubility tests on mescaline acetate. So far he found it’s soluble in water and soluble in 99% IPA, and insoluble in xylene and insoluble in d-limonene.
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How solubile is mescaline acetate in water?? very,or just alittle?? I had some goo left over in my evap dish that was too goopy to scrap up so i disoved it in water. after letting this sit for awhile there is some sediment that falls out to the bottom. Do you thank it is mescaline or plant material?? Just wondering thought it might be a good way to help clean it up.
 
SWIM did as instructed mixed 100 grams of dried cactus 25 grams calcium hydroxide and water, but he only mixed for 2 or 3 min. dumbass his extract wasn't cloudy but it was green, any insight on what went wrong? He then tried using a gravy seperator to sep the vinegar and that shit was impossible. the vinegar was clear that he got out not sure if thats right either. any insight please
 
it's best to leave the mix to sit for 3-4 hours. so if you leave it for a bit then carry on everything should be fine.

SWIM's turned green aswell. If you leave the limonene to sit for a few hours after you decant it off, before adding the vinegar you should see some cactus matter sitting at the bottom of the container. I think this is what causes the green colour to form. It should'nt mess things up I doubt.

Vinegar should be slightly cloudy I think.
 
no cloudyness just green d-limonene and clear vinegar he's trying to dry that out to see what happens and put more d-limonene in and is letting that sit overnite someone can PM swim if that want I could use some help and I could explain what swim did further
 
best bet is to just get some cutting live and grow some and extract the others... BBB has some of the best deals...
 
SWIM is a little disappointed, def a failed experiment. Not sure what went wrong but def something did. Too many variables to figure it out. SWIM is going to dry fresh succulent and grind then put into capsules next time and see if his supplier is good or not. Wish SWIM knew where things went wrong.
 
So my friend told me the following story...

I have done two pulls with two different San Pedro powder's from two different sources(Heavenly products and compras peru) and both times the yield was only 500mgs. Is this a normal yield? SWIM ingested 300mg of his compras extract at it was only a mild experience, but definitely active. This seems like a LOT of work to just produce about a dose of the acetate. SWIM attributes his lower then expected yields to the fact that he did not have an efficient way to squeeze out all the limonene from the powder mix, but even then that would at most produce about 100ml of limonene(based off how much i had and how much i used.) which would not be holding much more of the desired product, so there must be something else( bad batches, or low grade powder?). If any posters have any recommendations to increase the yield it will be greatly appreciated.
 
Did the powder stop yielding after only one pull? My buddy got only 15 mls of his limonene back out, so he simply added enough limonene so that he could get the desired 300 mls back (Evevntually added a whole 900 mls to get back 300 btw). My friend found that his later pulls, with a sufficient amount of limonene to work with worked very nicely, yielding almost 1000mg after the fourth cactus pull, (maybe the 20th vinegar pull) and still going. More work, but well worth it!
Tell your pal to try putting the used Limonene back in the cactus mix and repeat. Also add enough fresh Limonene so that you can get at least 200mls or so back out for the vinegar pulls.

My friend and I just woke from a Psychedelic Marathon over 36 hours and about 400mg of Mesc each. 'Twas a wild ride.

We tried coffee to potentiate the effects, which worked a little too well at one point, lol, we freaked out a bit, I pulled a muscle, and ran around saying 'What's in my leg?' repeatedly. Yeah, def avoid large cup of coffee + huge sticky joint + peak of trip. Whoa!
Fresh Ginger and Peppermint tea was found to be very calming to the mind and stomach when things started to get heavy.
A truly amazing experience though.
We found none of the peakiness or headwarping present in shroom trips, a welcome change.
Not the most potent psychedelic visions, but what we saw was powerfully ancient, the experience was natural, and meaningfull, and somehow 'right'. As opposed to a shroom trip which usually feels a little forced and artificial to us.
 
I just want to thank 69Ron again for this brilliantly innovative tek.
My buddy's results;

70gm Dried T.Pach outer skins yielded over 900mg mixed alkaloids.

Two thumbs up! Way up!
 
All of the vinegar from 3 pulls were evaporated in the same dish at the same time so my friend does know if it stopped yielding after the first pull.
 
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